Feminism Thread

[Mazmaz]

If you create a workplace that is sexism-free and gender neutral and a safe place for all to work, in such a way that it's equal for all, and there still exists biological differences, then the workplace will balance itself out over the long run due to the biological differences.

Do you understand that it's fucking INSULTING to tell women "you're experiencing this because you're biologically different than me" as a man?

[Charismatic]

There's a difference between saying you don't ignore factors and then proceeding to ignore them and not actually ignoring them. Just FYI.

Do you understand that it's fucking INSULTING to tell women "you're experiencing this because you're biologically different than me" as a man?

And you just need to learn how to read.

[archibaldcrane]

Here, you want a study clearly demonstrating sexism in science?

http://m.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474.abstract#aff-1

Go nuts.

Abstract

Despite efforts to recruit and retain more women, a stark gender disparity persists within academic science. Abundant research has demonstrated gender bias in many demographic groups, but has yet to experimentally investigate whether science faculty exhibit a bias against female students that could contribute to the gender disparity in academic science. In a randomized double-blind study (n = 127), science faculty from research-intensive universities rated the application materials of a student—who was randomly assigned either a male or female name—for a laboratory manager position. Faculty participants rated the male applicant as significantly more competent and hireable than the (identical) female applicant. These participants also selected a higher starting salary and offered more career mentoring to the male applicant. The gender of the faculty participants did not affect responses, such that female and male faculty were equally likely to exhibit bias against the female student. Mediation analyses indicated that the female student was less likely to be hired because she was viewed as less competent. We also assessed faculty participants’ preexisting subtle bias against women using a standard instrument and found that preexisting subtle bias against women played a moderating role, such that subtle bias against women was associated with less support for the female student, but was unrelated to reactions to the male student. These results suggest that interventions addressing faculty gender bias might advance the goal of increasing the participation of women in science.

[Charismatic]

Here, you want a study clearly demonstrating sexism in science?

http://m.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474.abstract#aff-1

Go nuts.

Sexism exists. My argument doesn't change one bit because my argument was never that there isn't sexism. I'm starting to wonder if you realize this at all... I don't think you do.
I do, still, wonder how prominent of a factor it is though. This study, so far, hasn't really told me any of that kind of thing (and yes, I am reading the supporting information)

[archibaldcrane]

You know that neither of us can definitively prove that "gender preferences" is more or less a factor than sexism, and you are using that as a cudgel to grind the conversation to a halt.

Congrats. I'm out.

[Galkaeater]

Well that would save us from having pages of

'I wasn't saying theres no sexism'

'I wasn't saying sexism is the only cause'

[BaneTheBrawler]

yeah... this seems like a good opportunity to do something i've been wanting to do for a while now. I'm going to lock this thread and create two in its place: Feminist Philosophy and Feminist News. This will prevent the News from being buried, and allow me to moderate both topics from the beginning, hopefully keeping the threads much... cleaner.