Feminism Thread

[Vandalhart]

I haven't read any of the other posts in this thread, but felt I'd respond to this:



No, that's not what my statement was about at all.

I was demonstrating how he's making a shitty argument by implying that circumcision and female genital mutilation are on an equal level in a societal sense. This presentation of his is made worse by the fact that he's shoving it into a gender issues argument. That's the problem.

The fact that circumcision is more accepted and holds more significant meaning to various cultures does not make it okay. (I am in the anti-circumcision camp, for the record.) Neither male nor female mutilation should happen. However, in the Western world, one has a far more significant presence, and for far more widespread and accepted—not necessarily accepted because it's correct, mind; just because it is—cultural reasoning. To say "let's talk about this while ignoring the cultural part" is moronic. To use it as an argument against feminism in a society where one (the female version) has never been the norm while the other (the male version) has is cheap, dishonest, and stupid.

Okay. I'm not sure really why I misunderstood your post. Thanks for the clarification.

[Milkster]

A controversial Alabama reverend and occassional Fox News guest said allowing women to vote was "one of the greatest mistakes America made" during a jaw-dropping sermon explaining how women's rise in power caused the downfall of America.

Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, a fundamentalist Christian, delivered the sermon in March on the Sunday service webcast “Exploring Your Destiny.” Peterson heads the conservative group Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny (BOND) and is an occassional guest on Sean Hannity's Fox News program. Hannity sits on the advisory board for BOND.
The full 12-minute tirade was uploaded to YouTube in March and unearthed by Raw Story on Tuesday, shortly after Peterson's most recent appearance on Fox News.

"We should have never turned [the vote] over to women," Peterson said during the sermon. "And these women are voting for the wrong people. They're voting for people who are evil, who agree with them, who are gonna take us down the pathway of destruction."
The misogynistic tirade continued, with the reverend warning againt women in positions of power because they "freak out” and “go nuts" if confronted with an issue.

"They can't handle stress. They can't handle anything,” he said. “You walk up to them with an issue, they freak out right away. Especially if they can't get the problem resolved right away … they go nuts. They get mad. They get upset. Because it's not in their nature. They don’t have patience. They don't have love."
He said wherever women are in control, evil finds its way through, referencing homosexuality and gay marriage as examples. ”Wherever woman reins, evil is taking over," he said.

Fox News has hosted Peterson as a guest since the sexist comments were made public.
The reverand appeared on Hannity's Great American Panel last Tuesday alongside Fox host Kirsten Powers.
Veering off subject of politics, Powers challenged Peterson for his “misogynistic” statements, Mediaite reported.
"You are a pastor distorting God's word for misogyny," she said during the panel.
After a few minutes, Hannity intervened to steer the conversation back to the scheduled topic. A Fox spokeswoman referred the Daily News to the recent Hannity segment when asked for comment.

Fox News founder Rupert Murdoch appeared to try distancing himself from the controversial views, albeit possibly by accident.
"Women voting is best thing in a hundred years," Murdoch tweeted to his more than 230,000 followers Tuesday, an apparent reference to Peterson’s rant.
Politico speculated the tweet was likely meant to be a private direct message to an individual user.

Peterson has a history of making offensive comments.
Shortly after Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans in 2005, he called the city’s residents “welfare-pampered,” “lazy” and “immoral,” reported Yahoo News.
He has called Islam an evil religion, said African-Americans should be sent back to the plantation to learn a proper work ethic, and said "thank God for slavery" because it brought Africans to the U.S.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz2QMXZizVH

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[Plow]

I think we need some 30 minute pretyped youtube rants read from a screen right below the camera to prove to us that guy is retarded.

[Charismatic]

Someone's looking kinda booty-bothered.

[Churchill]

ITT: Loneliness
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskWomen/com...otential_deal/

[Charismatic]

Oh man... all of those cat ladies.
When they hit their 30s it won't be pretty.

[Churchill]

Why Fat Women Should Be Sent To Prison

According to a study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, obese children and adolescents reported significantly lower health-related quality of life in all domains studied. Their lowered quality of life was “similar to children and adolescents diagnosed as having cancer.”

From sleep apnea to diabetes and heart conditions (not to mention being a fucking fat ass), the lowered quality of life and greatly increased health risks for Tubby Tim and Jiggly Jane should be of primary concern. Fat permeates every aspect of these children’s lives, and their bloated BMI is “significantly inversely correlated to their total health scores” including physical functioning, social functioning, and psychosocial functioning.

The Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics reports that “Maternal obesity [is] the most significant predictor of childhood obesity.” The same report also concludes that children born to fat chicks “have significantly elevated risks of developing obesity, independent of other demographic and socioeconomic factors.”

Tell me how fat chicks aren’t among the worst human beings on the planet. Look me straight in my god-given eyeball and tell me with a straight face how these seacows aren’t a threat to our society and our way of life.

I dare you.

If I were to walk around town with a syringe injecting unsuspecting children with a solution that would severely retard their physical, social, and psychological health leading to a low quality of life and premature death, there’s not a person reading this article who wouldn’t recommend I get the electric chair. I would be a monster – a subhuman social pariah – and you wouldn’t lose a wink of sleep as my rights were stripped away and I was hauled off to jail.

But what if I didn’t use a syringe? What if I used a fork instead? What if I didn’t sneak around to perpetrate my evil plan, but used a double Whopper with cheese instead? What if my main line of defense was that I was “too busy” to not slowly kill children? What if I shamed you for even mentioning what a useless piece of shit I am? What if I said I needed your support and understanding while I continued to slowly degrade the lives of the next generation?

Would you buy it? Would you back off on the insults? Would you make excuses for me? Would you support me as I continued slowly killing our children simply because I don’t have the human decency to say “No dessert for me please.” If all I had to do to save a child’s life was put down the fork and take a 30-minute walk three times a week but I refused to do so – would you rally around in support of my “disease” while I waddled on my merry way? Early indications are that you would *if* I had a vagina and feeeelings.

It’s time to take action. Here are my recommendations:

1. Do not speak to fat chicks

Fat chicks are worse than Jesus when it comes to the destructive force they unleash on the world. Ignore them, and let them know they will not be welcomed into polite society until they reduce their weight to a point to where they are no longer lethal to the next generation. They should be sent straight to prison, and since they’re nothing but animals, we should ignore them like a stray cat.

2. Remind fat chicks that they are (or will become) shitty mothers

This may sound cruel, but you’re really just telling them something they already know. You can do this directly or indirectly as your style dictates, but make sure you get the word out. If you’d warn people about letting their children play in a dangerous construction zone, you are equally morally obligated to warn them about letting their children be birthed and raised by a two-ton tub of Crisco with legs.

3. Always be ready to fat shame (and to defend your fat shaming)

Every man should have this post by Bronan saved in their favorites. Post it on one fat chick’s facebook profile per week for maximum man points. Defending your fat shaming is easy; simply smile and say “Aint it great!” Of course, you need to be ready to run like the wind because some fat chicks are “healthy” and run half-marathons like twice per year lozlzolzolzlzolzlzlzozllzollolzozlzlzol.

But perhaps the second biggest (heh) reason to shame fat chicks – next to doing it for the children – is because according to the American Journal of Thatch’s Musings, fat chicks are 100% likelier to become ardent feminists. Come to think of it, that hurts children too, so shame away.



4. Praise fat chicks after they lose weight

Two weeks ago I saw a coworker who I hadn’t seen in almost a year. She had to have lost 45 lbs or more – which is a massive amount for her tiny frame. Without embarrassing her, I made a pretty big deal of it, and even told her (in a very playful, indirect way and in front of witnesses) that she should call me if things don’t work out with her husband. It made her happy, reinforced her positive behavior change, and got me the evil eye from the two fat chicks who were also in the room. Two birds, one stone: healthy praising and fat shaming are a dynamic duo.

5. Get over your own fat family members, and let the shaming begin

I’m fortunate in that none of my immediate family members are obese. I do have a couple of fat ass chick cousins though, but I don’t let that stop me from calling it like I see it. If you’re reading this and getting pissed because your mom or your sister is fat, let it go man. If this article pisses you off because your wife is fat, then hahahahah…… hahaahah… lozlzollzozlzlzozolzolMcRiblulzlolzoizlzklzlzzl.

Seriously though, if your wife is fat, you suck at life.

Anyway, that’s my thoughts on the subject. For those of you who follow me on twitter, I’ll write up a post about my recent stroke of game luck for next week. Until then, remember that fat shaming is a powerful tool and you should do it for the chrrrrrrldren. Every time you shame a fat chick, you save a child and that makes you a red pill superhero.

[Churchill]

This is funny if only for hot chicks being women and then a feminist who is ugly as fuck lolol (1:22)

[Ksandra]

ITT: Loneliness
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskWomen/com...otential_deal/

There really isn't anything too bad in this one.

Why Fat Women Should Be Sent To Prison

This is just stupid, and the "actions" don't even solve what the writer deems to be the problem with fat chicks in the first place.

[Churchill]

lol.

anyway, there's a ton of retarded shit in that reddit post. i could point it out if you'd like, but we already know what i'm going to say don't we

[Ksandra]

lol.

anyway, there's a ton of retarded shit in that reddit post. i could point it out if you'd like, but we already know what i'm going to say don't we

I don't see tons, ya there's a few idiotic ones (needs blue eyes, wtf?), but I would say for the most part this paints a decent picture of women as the majority aren't all about rich guys.

[Charismatic]

I don't see tons, ya there's a few idiotic ones (needs blue eyes, wtf?), but I would say for the most part this paints a decent picture of women as the majority aren't all about rich guys.

I wouldn't.
All it talks about are what the dealbreakers are... not the desired traits.

There's also the fact that most people aren't gonna outright say they are golddiggers anyway. I don't think it should sway anyone's opinion on that one way or the other even a single bit since it isn't even addressed.

[Ksandra]

I wouldn't.
All it talks about are what the dealbreakers are... not the desired traits.

Well ya, but that was the question asked in the first place, though.

All I'm saying is that the majority of the dealbreakers aren't that extreme and make a lot of sense.

[Churchill]

I don't see tons, ya there's a few idiotic ones (needs blue eyes, wtf?), but I would say for the most part this paints a decent picture of women as the majority aren't all about rich guys.

ok.

let me preface this with two things: i don't think these women represent women as a whole because reddit is a shithole worse than 4chan, and were these women hot they'd still fuck me/guys like me in a heartbeat.

so.

will not date people who are intolerant
must not be ____ (religious, republican, whatever. plenty of things to throw in here for hypocrisies sake)
people who want biological children
if the person doesn't like me (lol)
if the person is mean
try to prevent working at a job (bitch is a waitress lol strong independent dishwasher)
hates cats
doesn't respect his family
forces sex
wont try new foods
is violent in any way
owns guns
saying anything against feminism, lbgt, etc

my favorite one person section:

Absolute deal breakers;
*Doesn't respect my views/holds vastly different ones (I don't expect anyone to agree with me 100%, but I want us to be on the same page)
*Anti-choice (if I were to fall pregnant in the foreseeable future, I would abort. It's an issue I will not compromise on)
*Religious (I would be very very hesitant to date someone religious, you'd have to be otherwise perfect for it not to bother me a little)
*Doesn't take me seriously (A lot of guys just laugh at me when I talk about feminism/complain about bra prices or availability/things like that. It really gets on my wick, so unless they knock it off pretty quick, that's a deal breaker)
Potential deal breakers (i.e. if they have too many of these, but one or two are fine):
*Talks shit about my hobbies
*Tells me not to wear make up
*Sees my being bi as just a way to get threesomes
*Doesn't like hand holding/PDAs
*Doesn't like kinky shit
*Drinks to excess
*Uses heavy drugs/uses lighter ones more than occasionally.
*Doesn't like animals (I don't mind if you're allergic, but I really like animals, so as long as I can still get a fish or something, we're golden)
*Complains about mess (I'm messy, that's not going to change)
*Complains about me being "Flirty" with other guys (I'm friends with a lot of guys, and I'm naturally a very flirty person, all parties involved understand it's not serious)

There is a pic of this chick in her history too, shouldn't be so picky lol.

Here's why I made the preface (outside of reddit being a shithole).

I am 5'11, white, ex-military, late-20s, above average looks, fit, average dick. I chew tobacco, I drink, I am mean, I don't eat shit because someone suggests it if I don't want to, I am extremely rigid and routine'd. I own guns and sometimes carry, usually at least a knife in the car with flashlight/gerber/EMT kit. I am moderately racist, at least to the extent that I wouldn't marry a black woman because I wouldn't want black kids. I think feminism is a joke, and while I don't care if someone is gay and fully support gay folks having rights as people, I don't really give a shit about LBGT movements and openly laugh at them for the mockery they make of themselves. I don't talk to anyone but my brothers in my immediate family and likely never will. I am a high functioning sociopath and I am violent often enough for it to get me in trouble were I to go out without friends. I can hit a marker for almost every one of those posts yet never find myself wanting for companionship, sex, whatever.

To me, that entire thread is a collaboration of feminism approved things women want in men - that is to say, they've successfully regurgitated the propaganda on a mass scale. This is what women want! (lol)

The biggest personal sticking point I have is chewing tobacco. Women hate that shit, I'd say 99.9% of women I date tell me they'd never date a guy who chews tobacco, it's so gross. I don't hide it from them, fuck I don't even do the courteous thing and do it when they aren't around. Women will drop their bullshit in a heartbeat for men they perceive as valuable to the point of something that even I admit is disgusting as fuck becomes something they deal with. These aren't one night stands either, but women I see for weeks+ at a time and many of whom still contact me to this day.

So yes, I find that thread retarded. It's a circle jerk of irrelevant shit and while I don't care if retarded men read it and take it as gospel, I do care that there aren't enough positive (or easy to access) influences for men to know it's bullshit ahead of time. Maybe I don't really care at all because its less competition, but meh. MLP yo.

[Churchill]

no offense on the cross breeding chari

also, relevant lol.

[Charismatic]

I don't care about your views on race in the context of this thread nor does it bother me that you don't want to have babies with blacks. I personally don't want your seed anyway so it has nothing to do with me.

Anyway, what I do care about though is... stuff like this:

Spoiler: show

Feminist drivel is everywhere, I mean who actually believes that the definition of the word causes people to rape?

[Not Kuno]

Since we're talking about dating and this is a feminist post you guys should check this out:

http://www.alternet.org/why-online-d...men?page=0%2C0

It's written by a feminist and it's actually spot on about a lot of things.

Also helpful:

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/yo...online-dating/

According to that, women find 80% of men to be "less than average attractive".

[Ksandra]

I may have to answer this in parts so don't think I'm ignoring anything, just this is going to be a long one.

will not date people who are intolerant
must not be ____ (religious, republican, whatever. plenty of things to throw in here for hypocrisies sake)

someone pointed out, and I think this is fully true, there is a HUGE difference between being intolerant and dating. A good example (taken from a response there) I fully support gays. I think they should marry and live happy lives together. That does not mean I would date a woman, because I am not gay. Now, I was open-minded about it in the past (in HS) and realized I think vags are gross and I don't think you could ever convince me to lick one. That doesn't mean I am intolerant of gays. I just am not gay.

People want to claim these women are being intolerant, but again there is a difference between being ok with someone being different, and knowing whether you'll be relationship compatable with that difference.

Another example I can give is the politics one. If you are a repub, fine and dandy. My husband's parents are staunch repubs. In the past, I never ever would have considered that to be a dealbreaker. Then I dated one...during the Bush W. era no less. Wanted to stab myself in the face time and again for all the arguments we had as he acted like Bush was a gift from Jesus. After that, though the issue never arose, I think I would have been extremely EXTREMELY wary of dating another one.

people who want biological children

Why is this dumb? Not every woman wants to be pregnant. Why should they get into a relationship with a guy who wants sons if that's going to be a huge issue down the line?

if the person doesn't like me (lol)
if the person is mean

idgi, women need to be open to dating guys that are mean? These are harmless, you should be happy these are the things they are concerned about.

try to prevent working at a job (bitch is a waitress lol strong independent dishwasher)

She's saying she doesn't want to be a stay-at-home mom/wife. Not that she wants to be a dishwasher for the rest of her life. nothing wrong with this.

hates cats

idgi, this is house-related. If you are in a relationship, and you want it to last, you have to share similar ideas on the house. pets/no pets can be a huge issue

doesn't respect his family

This is probably because (at least in my experience) it is soooo fucking annoying to hear someone bitch about their family day in and day out. AS alluded to above, many of these could be based on past relationships that women found to be turn offs.

forces sex

ya, making someone feel uncomfortable about sex is stupid.

wont try new foods

This, I agree, is dumb. Unless they are a professional chef or something.

is violent in any way

This is dumb? Really? Don't be silly.

owns guns

not stupid at all. I wouldn't date/marry a guy with guns either. Not my thing at all. There are girls out there who would, date them instead.

saying anything against feminism, lbgt, etc

feminism =/= lgbt or for that matter =/= women's rights



I'll post a response to the rest in a bit. Just want to point out this is not about what makes a good man, just what someone needs in order to have a long-lasting relationship. Guys have their own dealbreakers. It doesn't make them intolerant or w/e. It's just about what someone feels they need to be happy/compatible with someone.

[Churchill]

the problem with online dating for men, at least sites that make you post a picture and your picture is the main focus, is that men are not sexual objects. eg, their worth to the world, to women, is not one of physical beauty. Online dating sites are great for hookups, fuck, facebook is great for that. I've even fucked chicks that were cute from craiglist and /b/ lol. Women's worth to the world is one of physical beauty. Their value to mates is entirely based on how they look - whether it be for a relationship or for hookups. If you are good looking, fit/healthy, symmetrical, you have good genes and pass the initial primal check of 'you and i would make good babbys'.

there is a picture of someone from /soc/ or /r9k/ trolling a dating site with the picture of a super hot male model type. he basically asks every chick two things, "i want to lick your pussy all night long" and "can i get your number". numerous women respond to him with some kind of hamster reservation but always are excited/give the number.

he did the same thing with a below average looking guy and got called a creep, told to kill himself, etc. in a time of ultra-hypergamy, it's much less uncommon for men to be valued for physical attributes alone, but situations that almost solely rely on that are not going to benefit the majority of men.

this could also be expanded to women always having unreal expectations where they are allowed to have them, in this case, very few men can meet their ideal mates attractiveness (whether they are that attractive to deserve such a mate or not) but if you can give them a tingle then all that shit goes out the window. I feel men as a whole are more honest about their expectations of what a woman should look like. I think that rukkiri bitch is not attractive at all, but chari here loves her and wants a waifu.

[Churchill]

I think my point was that all of that shit was superfluous because women don't hold on to their ideas, dealbreakers, or values at all.

The biological children thing was actually that they wouldn't make white babies and would adopt black children.

My dealbreaker is literally over 35, not attractive, not born a woman with woman parts. I'm not trying to find a wife though, if I was it would be over 25. Not BPD is a given, but that shit is easy as fuck to spot.