Feminism Thread

**ronin sparthos** · 2013-09-16 17:48

Originally Posted by GoggleHead

I don't agree with this assessment of the terminology.

Unless video games are a core part of your identity, I don't you have any business calling yourself a "gamer".

I've gone fishing before but I don't call myself a fisherman.
I've spent time at the local pool before but I don't call myself a swimmer.
I took a theatre class back in high school but I don't call myself an actor.

I've been playing video games non-stop for the past 22 years and have no intention of ever stopping. I self identify as a gamer.

There are different degrees of gaming. Why shouldn't the grandma racking up high scores on Bejeweled and Diner Dash be considered a gamer? Because she isn't following industry trends and reading all the latest sources coming out of the review mills?

Casual, hardcore, single-genre, multi-genre are all categories of gamers. You find yourself in the hardcore crowd.

**Galkaeater** · 2013-09-16 18:02

Originally Posted by Correction

If you've ever played video games and enjoyed them, you're a gamer. This video is dumber than anything Anita's ever made.

Why don't you bother watching the video before commenting.

**Charismatic** · 2013-09-16 18:09

Originally Posted by ronin sparthos

There are different degrees of gaming. Why shouldn't the grandma racking up high scores on Bejeweled and Diner Dash be considered a gamer? Because she isn't following industry trends and reading all the latest sources coming out of the review mills?

Casual, hardcore, single-genre, multi-genre are all categories of gamers. You find yourself in the hardcore crowd.

this is what casuals actually believe

**Stilzkin** · 2013-09-16 18:17

Originally Posted by Correction

If you've ever played video games and enjoyed them, you're a gamer. This video is dumber than anything Anita's ever made.

She says she's not a fan of video games and she doesn't play video games in her video.

**Tarage** · 2013-09-16 18:43

The point is there are strong arguments that can be made against Anita; she doesn't do research, she steals footage from let's-plays, she ignores counter examples and evidence that don't fit her incredibly narrow viewpoint, and she groups her critics together and dismisses them for the actions of a few. This argument that "lol gaiz she isn't a girl gamer because she said once she hates games" is not one of those arguments. It only allows her to more easily dismiss valid arguments by pointing at schlock like this.

**quannum** · 2013-09-16 18:59

Originally Posted by Tarage

The point is there are strong arguments that can be made against Anita; she doesn't do research, she steals footage from let's-plays, she ignores counter examples and evidence that don't fit her incredibly narrow viewpoint, and she groups her critics together and dismisses them for the actions of a few. This argument that "lol gaiz she isn't a girl gamer because she said once she hates games" is not one of those arguments. It only allows her to more easily dismiss valid arguments by pointing at schlock like this.

oh the huge manatee!

**BaneTheBrawler** · 2013-09-16 19:34

im summary, anita is terrible but so is everyone else.

**Charismatic** · 2013-09-16 20:06

Originally Posted by BaneTheBrawler

im summary, anita is terrible but so is everyone else.

Nah, just her.
(Well, her and the fembots who are actually defending her dishonesty simply because they 'play for the same team'.)

**Charismatic** · 2013-09-16 20:10

I'm genuinely curious to see how Kohan and/or Kuya would try to spin this one!

**Kuya** · 2013-09-16 20:17

Spin what

**Kohan** · 2013-09-16 20:21

Originally Posted by Charismatic

I'm genuinely curious to see how Kohan and/or Kuya would try to spin this one!

I don't believe that anyone has ever spun anything in her favor. She's always been completely terrible. I don't know why you think that Kuya and I oppose all of your viewpoints, but I suppose that you operate in a simple world of black and white, and therefore don't comprehend nuance. If you did, you wouldn't have had such a nonsensical curiosity.

Disclaimer: I haven't watched the video. The title made it sound irrelevant, as Anita made it clear from the beginning that she wasn't involved in gaming at all.

**Charismatic** · 2013-09-16 20:22

Originally Posted by Kohan

as Anita made it clear from the beginning that she wasn't involved in gaming at all.

By constantly talking about all the time she spends playing games and how she is a gamer and loves games, right?
(This is the dishonesty I'm referring to btw)

Its clear, but not because she wanted it to be lol

**Kuya** · 2013-09-16 20:29

Why would i want to defend anita? Is she your strawwoman?

**Charismatic** · 2013-09-16 20:29

Originally Posted by Kohan

I don't know why you think that Kuya and I oppose all of your viewpoints, but I suppose that you operate in a simple world of black and white, and therefore don't comprehend nuance. If you did, you wouldn't have had such a nonsensical curiosity.

Also this is one of the most hilarious things I've read in quite some time.
(Weren't you the one who called me a feminist simply because I believe that people should be treated equally? Talk about operating in a simple world of black and white and not being able to comprehend nuance.)

Originally Posted by Kuya

Why would i want to defend anita? Is she your strawwoman?

Bro, don't pretend you don't WK harder than Demo.
Much love but we both know that shit is your fatal flaw.

**Kuya** · 2013-09-16 20:32

Ok

**Kohan** · 2013-09-16 21:09

I meant to respond to this faster, but was whisked off to a meeting. Apologies, Internet.

Originally Posted by Charismatic

By constantly talking about all the time she spends playing games and how she is a gamer and loves games, right?
(This is the dishonesty I'm referring to btw)

Its clear, but not because she wanted it to be lol

Mostly due to her stating that she was a pop culture critic, and that her history had nothing substantial to do with gaming. As evidenced by the completely off-the-mark "arguments" in her videos, she was offended by things that she had—at best—a tangential knowledge of. Prior to that in her professional life, she had nothing noteworthy to do with gaming at all. It was a vapid cash grab from the beginning. (You can see my disdain in my first post in this thread—I've always thought that she was stupid.)

I'm all for intellectual discourse, and as I've noted many times in this thread, I despise neo-feminists as much as you do. The only disagreement we have is in relation to the term itself, not the extremist behavior. Regarding anything "feminist" as extremist—that is equivalent to saying that any Christian is an abortion-demonizing member of the Ku Klux Klan, that every Muslim is an America-hating Jihadist (AKA: Being Church), and so on. Extremism is good for no one. It doesn't contribute to causes for equality, as extremism usually engenders destruction and exclusion, and features attacks against those who don't agree with severe representations of dogma. That's the sort of thing that Anita does, and that is why her work is total garbage.

Originally Posted by Charismatic

Also this is one of the most hilarious things I've read in quite some time.
(Weren't you the one who called me a feminist simply because I believe that people should be treated equally? Talk about operating in a simple world of black and white and not being able to comprehend nuance.)

Truthfully, that's not a simple point. Do you remember when Skirkle made it clear in spam that he was offended by my stating that your beliefs are in line with actual feminism efforts? That's because he's closer to the neo-feminist sort—he doesn't believe that men can be feminists as a matter of exclusion, not a matter of derision toward feminism. He believes they can only be "sympathizers." This sort of view is separationist rather than being inclusive, and that's why I poked fun at him, though there is a bit of serious criticism in there. That sort of mentality hurts equality efforts, because they are akin to telling someone they do not belong, and that they can never belong. I offered you an olive branch—someone like that would tell you to get out.

**Correction** · 2013-09-16 22:38

Originally Posted by Stilzkin

She says she's not a fan of video games and she doesn't play video games in her video.

One of the videos is from 2010. One of the videos is from 2012.

I think she's a phony too but this angle of attack is fucking retarded. Instead look at the meat of her criticism instead of letting random anonymous youtubers form your opinion for you.

**Ksandra** · 2013-09-16 22:50

Originally Posted by Correction

One of the videos is from 2010. One of the videos is from 2012.

Are you suggesting she wasn't ever implying she was a video gamer all her life when she showed a pic of herself as a kid in front of a gaming system?

**Correction** · 2013-09-16 22:57

Originally Posted by Ksandra

Are you suggesting she wasn't ever implying she was a video gamer all her life when she showed a pic of herself as a kid in front of a gaming system?

I think she's grossly overstated her involvement with gaming in the video and demonstrated as much with what she's come up with in her videos so far. But 'hurr she's not a gamer' is such a nonstarter as far as discrediting her. I got a lot of people telling me to watch a shallow, useless video about someone's 'gamer cred' in response to a lot of shallow, useless videos about sexism in video games and pick a winner. lol

**Kohan** · 2013-09-16 23:03

Originally Posted by Correction

I got a lot of people telling me to watch a shallow, useless video about someone's 'gamer cred' in response to a lot of shallow, useless videos about sexism in video games and pick a winner. lol

That's why I don't watch most of the response videos. They're as empty-headed as the content they're supposedly contesting.

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