Feminism Thread

[Tarage]

Kohan, out of sheer curiosity, what is your stance on the Penny Arcade Dickwolves fiasco?

[BaneTheBrawler]

Grats on your coming out.


Seriously replace ffxi with gay and Pokemon with not gay.

nah, pokemon still qualified as "gay." Town of 3000 people, dude. My graduating class was like 60 people max. otherwise... yeah, pretty much. Not to the same degree, though. The only kids who had it worse than the gay kids were the B.O. booger eaters. I managed to claw my way up from "nerd" to "smart," which is an important distinction. People didn't pick on smart kids because we were better at making up good insults, and we had all the answers for the schoolwork.

[hey]

There are different degrees of gaming. Why shouldn't the grandma racking up high scores on Bejeweled and Diner Dash be considered a gamer? Because she isn't following industry trends and reading all the latest sources coming out of the review mills?

Casual, hardcore, single-genre, multi-genre are all categories of gamers. You find yourself in the hardcore crowd.

If she's playing Bejeweled every day, or almost every day, and it is a significant part of her life, then sure, she's a gamer.

[Charismatic]

This is essentially the same exact thing I said several pages ago, though I did so more elaborately. It's worth pointing out, as you'd suggested earlier that Kuya and I are in support of efforts like Anita's, and I clarified that this was never the case, but you didn't seem to believe that. As to why that's important, it implies a pathological aversion to the term "feminism," not the principles. That is why your behavior mimics extremism.

It can be likened to the stereotypical white male Republican aversion to all things thrown under the general label of "liberal." These sorts of people may be approached by an anonymous survey-taker, and asked if they enjoy various forms of health benefits. After they've acknowledged them, they're asked if they like Obamacare. They vehemently spout that they do not, but said surveyer then reveals that every health care point they endorsed is covered under Obamacare.

This is the same thing that I did to you in relation to that page listing various facets of feminism, and gender equality efforts. At the end, you were in denial due to the mention of "patriarchy," and not for any factual reason. It is the same as the white Republican; however, this should perhaps be expected, given that you also like many of the other things they fancy—not supporting gay marriage, not supporting various forms of government assistance, and so on. If you take this observation as an insult, I would suggest stepping away from yourself, studying your morals, and then comparing them against said far-right party members.

When Mazmaz implied that I have been subtle, and when I suggested that you do not understand nuance, both of these factors suggested that the only way to earn understanding is to hit someone over the head repeatedly with a hammer of information, as anything more substantial would not do. Mazmaz believes, evidently, that someone must be punched in the face with a labeled fist for them to understand the topic at hand; I was more respectful and thorough than that, but those efforts did not yield results.

Throughout this discussion, I and others have intricately and respectfully explained that feminism isn't defined by extremists. If you nonetheless define it that way, I would suppose that you do the same for every other group of every kind. Let's get a bit more personal, then.

You've rightfully defended yourself against someone else for being presumptuous about the life you've lived as a black man. I remember when you did this in spam. Someone made casual comments that led to you defending yourself for the unfair things you've had to deal with in your life. As a staunch humanist, I could only agree. You've also noted in the past that you appreciated my personality. I imagine this would be indicative of your likewise appreciating a good amount of the things I've said. Throughout all of that, I have always been a humanist. It's something that far pre-dates BG for me.

Now, let's say I wasn't a humanist. Let's say I sat there and mocked you for being black. You're illiterate; you're a thief; you hate everyone who isn't black; you mooch off of welfare to feed your ten kids, and you drive an Escalade. You'll never amount to anything in life.

That's fucked up, isn't it? That's me being an extremist. A racist white pig. I didn't mean any of those things, but I know you've dealt with people who made similar comments and meant every word. You have dealt with extremism.

This is why you shouldn't ever generalize any group according to what an extremist viewpoint depicts them as. It leads to racism, bigotry, animosity, and every combination of the aforementioned that you can think of. It leads to harmful legislation, mob mentalities, and so on.

To lay it all out in one TL;DR sentence: only extremism itself is the enemy to rational thought.

I don't feel that most of this is even relevant when you consider that the 'feminists' that have the most mindshare are the insane ones.

Two videos that say everything I want to say so I'm really not going to type anything more on it. Pretty sure I've linked both of these anyway.

[Kohan]

I don't feel that most of this is even relevant when you consider that the 'feminists' that have the most mindshare are the insane ones.

I'm sorry to hear that you're that pathological after all.

I suppose I could have lowered myself to simply insulting you as Correction did a while ago. I wanted to be respectful, however, and engage you in intellectual discourse. If all that you can do is respond to such a statement with a few sensationalized videos—I only needed to watch the first until the 1:45 mark; it's the sort of absent-minded generalization I elaborated upon—I see now that this was a waste of my time.

Perhaps someday you'll realize that these are the same sort of generalizations that people use to perpetuate racism, classism, and bigotry, and that you are walking among a crowd that would sooner throw you under the bus than consider you their brethren.

Maybe not, though.

[Callisto]

Not his bad, he played Tales games so he hates women

[Not Kuno]

[Tarage]

Boy that first video is just... wrong. I don't like radical feminism, but I understand that there's a difference between the two. Just like not all Christians are trying to kill the gays, and not all white people are KKK.

Turns out radical anything is stupid.

[BaneTheBrawler]

LOL Hellfire

[Charismatic]

I only needed to watch the first until the 1:45 mark

This is how I know without a doubt that you're full of shit, no generalizations were even made up til this point, or even anything close to something that could be called one.
That seems to be your thing... anything that doesn't seem to agree with your viewpoint is something you won't even watch for 3 seconds (if at all, you probably don't at all and for some reason go on to claim that you did)

You don't even know what you're arguing against, so yes, it is indeed pointless.

[Correction]

Call an argument pointless ten times.
Keep posting to get in the last word because psychopath.

[Callisto]

Call an argument pointless ten times.
Keep posting to get in the last word because psychopath.

In rebuttal: no u

[GoggleHead]

I can't even tell who's arguing which side of the argument anymore. Everyone loses.

[Charismatic]

Call an argument pointless ten times.
Keep posting to get in the last word because psychopath.

This describes absolutely no one in this thread.

[notorious bum]

I get mental fatigue whenever someone I'm arguing with doesn't actually want to have a conversation and instead would rather echo talking points I've heard before, but damn, even I take the time to watch/read my opponent's rhetoric. Know thy enemy and whatnot.

With that said, I believe a lot of feminism's problems today stem from it being co-opted by a lot of young women and teens that have become feminists simply as an outlet to complain about pop culture issues. They are the same type of cancer to feminists as the Obamabots are to black people(and these neo-feminists are almost always Obama worshipers as well). These astroturf groups are inherently arrogant, disingenuous, and historically-naive because they don't have very many public figureheads today that will say anything beyond shit you've memorized in HS or college as a bulletpoint.

My last run-in with one of these neo-feminists(who felt the need to lash-out after I laughed at the absurdity over Miley's show) was filled with plenty of reinforced labeling of me as the enemy. So, I took the extra time and effort to skim her blog of the feminist struggle, only to find pages of rage over dumb shit in hollywood, sexist pop rappers, Mya Angelo references, and some worshiping of M. Obama. Well, with that, all I had to do is ask her where her write-up was of any one of the many prominent feminist activists who passed this year and that ended her fury of messages abruptly.

The real feminist ride-or-die chicks are easy to find, but I feel like a lot of the feminism movement is now muddled with counter-productive bullshit arguments with no ground to stand on, with the intent of: proving their definition of something is "right", expose someone as a closet sexist, or make a name for themselves.

[Kuya]

A lot of the issues that feminists seem to argue about today are so esoterically that they seem alien to some people. A lot of it just looks like bitching for the sake of bitching and expecting that to somehow change anything.

[BaneTheBrawler]

bitches be bitchin about bitches bitchin to bitch


it's okay for me to say that because my mom is a woman, and that makes me half woman.

[Charismatic]

How did I miss this? Its absolutely amazing.

[Kuya]

Nvm, get out, stop raping me

[Charismatic]

Spoiler: show

This is also comedy in its own way.