Feminism Thread

[Callisto]

EDIT: Top Gear exclusively puts women, especially good looking ones, in the background during the news segments. Could that classify as decoration? Jeremy says otherwise it's just ugly men (whom probably have a genuine interest in cars in general) who turn up, and people won't want to look at that lol

I think this is probably a bit of the issue that she has an actual point with, the assumption that the general public won't buy/view/play something that doesn't have a set of tits attached to it. For all I know that may be true, but it's pretty much used as if it's a universal law at this point.

Probably a better example of what Anita is trying to do, but with an actual rational train of thought behind it(that said, this girl's voice drives me bananas so it might be hard to get through):



This is a good example of what Anita doesn't do. She doesn't provide an explanation as to why things are how they are, or how people can go about doing something about it; she just says LOOK AT THESE EVIL SEXIST MEN. The furthest she's gone is to say "I have an idea for a game what if you took the powerful princess and she did this and this and this" which was the equivalent of WHY DON'T WE MAKE A GAME WHERE BATMAN FIGHTS GOKU rather than offering some ideas as to how systemic change might be created. And even then here saying she has an idea for a game is the furthest she'll go, rather than trying to take some steps to actually make said game. All she does is lodge the complaints, expect the game creators to cater to her whims, and throws a rug over the comments of anyone who disagrees with her.

As someone mentioned earlier, the only reason she's even relevant is the morons who couldn't keep from going I HOPE U GET RAPED DUURRRRRRR.

[Waraji]

Donglegate was better.

[Jefe]

Look at those sharpie eyebrows and xbox hoops. I thought the jewbroad was an oldchool chola.

[Not Kuno]

Donglegate was better.

Man that was so surreal.


My favorite tl;dr about Anita. Someone had their art stolen for her banner/logo/something.

So from what I understand, the artist confronting Anita Sarkeesian about art theft is now in talks to resolve the matter. I have the sneaking suspicion that what will happen is damage control and they may take advantage of her knowledge or lack there of when it comes to copyright laws. First off, fair use does not apply here. Anita Sarkeesian does not actually have an organization to speak of and they are not a charity. You can’t say really say that it’s for educational purposes, because Anita is not an educator and the art was used for a logo to raise money and not to educate. So it was used to obtain money. It’s been used in her lectures where she received money to come speak and she received a fair amount for that.

Feminist Frequency is not an organization like a charity or a group that raises funds to educate the masses. I’ve actually done graphic design work for a non-profit organization. I know what constitutes fair use. This does not count as fair use because she used it as a logo for her video series to generate funds. I don’t mean to speak ill of the artist in question, but she should really stand by her work and not let Anita get away with not producing paperwork to show that she’s has non-profit tax exempt status. Because from what I understand, she doesn’t have that status and never has. She previously used footage from videos she did not make, and while some of that probably does count as fair use, it was in bad taste and she showed little regard for the content producers in question. This woman is excellent at talking in circles and will do everything she can to sweep it under the rug no matter how this ends up.

What this really comes down to, is blatant disrespect for artists, content producers, and artistic integrity. She does not care about the time you put in working on something. She only cares about money, and that is what you see in her actions. The way she handles people, the decisions she makes, and her overall dishonesty about every part of this. She doesn’t care about you, your feelings, or even the advancement of women like she claims. Just cold hard cash, She travels a lot, wears nice clothes, eats well, and you folks paid for it. Well done! I hope you’re proud. If the artist is reading this, I hope she doesn’t let this woman steamroll over her. It’s already hard enough to get regular people to respect artistic skill, let alone, someone like Anita. Ask for proof, and if she doesn’t give it, get a lawyer. I guarantee that there are some gamers or MRAs with connections that would love to help you. Is there a lawyer in the house? Cause if there is, yeah get on that.

[Meresgi]

I also remember videos shown of Anita back in college talking about she hated video gaming or had never played a video game during a speech/presentation. Granted a person can obviously change their viewpoints on what they like but it calls into question her motives.

[Quicklet]

Man that was so surreal.


My favorite tl;dr about Anita. Someone had their art stolen for her banner/logo/something.

I think most people who look beyond the surface presentation can see how suspect her whole operation is. I'm disappointed that she's actually considered an important voice in the industry right now, but I have to think there are a lot of people who see through her act but don't say anything because of not wanting to deal with the inevitable pitchforks that would be raised.

[archibaldcrane]

That's a good point, you don't really hear people speaking up against the things she says in her videos out of fear of the feminist mafia attacking them.

[Andalusian girls]

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[Charismatic]

That's a good point, you don't really hear people speaking up against the things she says in her videos out of fear of the feminist mafia attacking them.

Could post tons more, shame is a powerful tool.

[archibaldcrane]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...psb8459f49.png.

[Charismatic]

Less than 1400 posts in 2 years, that's an astonishing number of them made by mostly the same small handful of people.
Durr.

[Meresgi]

That's a good point, you don't really hear people speaking up against the things she says in her videos out of fear of the feminist mafia attacking them.

[Kohan]

I think most people who look beyond the surface presentation can see how suspect her whole operation is. I'm disappointed that she's actually considered an important voice in the industry right now, but I have to think there are a lot of people who see through her act but don't say anything because of not wanting to deal with the inevitable pitchforks that would be raised.

Since the release of her latest video, I have had several conversations with people wherein I've explained why I do not respect Anita nor her work, and within them, I thoroughly explained why her presentations are poor. They're ill-researched, her delivery is packed with sensationalized language, she neglects to list positives and accomplishments while only focusing on negatives, and so on. One of the responses I received was, "Do you think she deserved to receive threats?" Of course I fucking don't, you fucking neanderthal. That's why I didn't say anything about that. I explained why she's on the level of a Fox News reporter, and it had nothing to do with her gender at all. Utter idiocy.

[Tarage]

I'm a game developer, so naturally she gets plastered on all the walls of my friends. I've tried to explain why I don't like her, but I get labeled a 'hater' and given that I don't want to ruin the possibility of working with any of these people, I just hide the threads and ignore them. Only a small group of friends know I hate her, and we mock her videos whenever they come out.

I seriously wish that this sort of thing didn't have to be 100% black and white. That I could dislike Anita and still feel like there is something wrong in my industry.

Militant anything is dangerous.

[wipers]

[GoggleHead]

Since the release of her latest video, I have had several conversations with people wherein I've explained why I do not respect Anita nor her work, and within them, I thoroughly explained why her presentations are poor. They're ill-researched, her delivery is packed with sensationalized language, she neglects to list positives and accomplishments while only focusing on negatives, and so on. One of the responses I received was, "Do you think she deserved to receive threats?" Of course I fucking don't, you fucking neanderthal. That's why I didn't say anything about that. I explained why she's on the level of a Fox News reporter, and it had nothing to do with her gender at all. Utter idiocy.

This is more or less my problem with feminism in general as portrayed by the internet. It sets off all the same red flags as Fox News and conspiracy theories. There's a legitimate issue to be addressed but people have this blind zealotry regarding the whole thing to the point where there is no room for dissenting opinions.

[Quicklet]

This is more or less my problem with feminism in general as portrayed by the internet. It sets off all the same red flags as Fox News and conspiracy theories. There's a legitimate issue to be addressed but people have this blind zealotry regarding the whole thing to the point where there is no room for dissenting opinions.

After thinking on it for a few days, many of the points made in this video regarding Phil Fish could also be applied to Anita Sarkeesian.



Essentially, when most people talk about Phil Fish, they're talking about Phil Fish as a symbol for a whole bunch of ideas tied up in a larger context. They're talking about "that developer who says controversial and abrasive things in public settings", not necessarily about "that guy who made FEZ." For some people, that tinges any discussion involving him: "He's a terrible guy. Oh, and his game wasn't even that good." The first statement, while plausible, has no bearing on the second and offers no evidence to support it, but when someone makes the argument, "FEZ was a good game," it often gets interpreted as "Phil Fish is a swell guy." Likewise, when someone says "There are significant logical flaws in the way Anita Sarkeesian presents her arguments," many people hear "I support the people who demonize and attack her" or "I don't support equality."

The "games journalism community" is somewhat responsible for crafting and perpetuating both of these narratives. That probably won't change anytime soon. What is unfortunate is that if Anita repurposed her argument to be, say, an indictment of how stale much of the AAA game industry has become, rather than an attempt to paint a broad stroke over the entirety of the medium using biased and anecdotal data, she would be nowhere near the polarizing figure that she currently is. She also would get much less media attention.

Supposedly she's been working on two other videos at the same time as this one in order to release them in a shorter time period, so I'm sure a month from now we'll be hearing about Chun Li and DoA Beach Volleyball.

[Meresgi]

Anita and Phil should have a kid and name it Jimmy Rustles.

[djzombie]

Supposedly she's been working on two other videos at the same time as this one in order to release them in a shorter time period, so I'm sure a month from now we'll be hearing about Chun Li and DoA Beach Volleyball.

doa had a slider to adjust the amount of boob jiggle. those were the days.

[Correction]

Man that was so surreal.


My favorite tl;dr about Anita. Someone had their art stolen for her banner/logo/something.

This kvetching about theft, copyright and fair use is now hilarious in light of recent events.