Feminism Thread

[Quicklet]

I think some of the claims are just based on perceptions of impropriety. Personally I can't say for sure one way or another whether there were direct tradeoffs, but it does give me a more negative view of the incestuous nature of a segment of the video game journalism community (which I think a lot of people don't hold in high regard to begin with). Honestly, it's probably not that much different in a lot of other professional industries, but it's a smaller community, it's less formal, there's a lot more PR involved, so when something like this comes along it blows up in the same way a political or entertainment scandal would.

As for trolling over Depression Quest, I think part of it was because it was generally a mediocre game (basically a choose your own adventure style game) that centered on a social issue, and a lot of people felt it got unfairly praised because of that. Lots of comparisons to Anita Sarkeesian, etc.

In all honesty if you had asked me about it before all of this went down, I would've said that's an unfair comparison to make. At this point, while I find it extremely uncomfortable to see someone's personal life being dragged into the public like this, if the core allegations are true I'm disappointed in the hypocrisy and I'm also disappointed in the way a lot of people are trying to spin the entire thing as slut-shaming or a misogynistic attack. It's unfortunate that both extremes suck up all the air in the room and turn it into something that nobody in the middle wants to be a part of (see Totalbiscuit, Jontron, etc.).

[Drex]

The know your meme page has pretty much answer all your questions but I'll try and do a tl;dr version of EVERYTHING.

She had her game Depression Quest on greenlight which was getting shit attention. Zoe then goes on twitter and starts to complain about harrassment and sexism and getting rape threats etc. Which alerts every facet of video game feminism out there and people flock to her. The supposed culprits of this trolling was a man-only image board known as wizardchan. It was TWO people in their image board who had one conversation about her. It wasn't some huge hot topic they had, just a teeny-shmidge. So, the Wizardchan people get called rapists etc etc all the while, they defended themselves with opposing screencaps suggesting the initial harrassment was a hoax created by Zoe herself.

which, then bleeds into the next thing she did. She gets contacted by a Game Jam thing along with other female game devs. This game jam wants ONLY woman devs to send them their ideas and they will completely make the damn game for them. The public will vote on which game they want made and whoever wins gets their game and pretty much a foot in the door of the gaming community. Pretty neat, right? Nope. Zoe and other feminist chicks freak out and accuse the company of exploiting woman for money. (again, this can be found in the know your meme page. The Game Jam that got shat on is the one I linked in the last page)She shits on em and it keeps pegged down. No news journalist will talk about the Game Jam because little miss Zoe had planned one herself... or ... something. So, in order for her to have a monopoly on the attention she bullshit outrage. To get even more attention to her Game Jam or something she was participating in, she fucked the kotaku dude and the other game journalists and the while in a "committed" relationship with the fellow that made the huge post. She admits to fucking the 5 guys. A few of which wrote articles about her during her fucktrips with em. Liiiitttleee suspicious.

Could've saved yourself some work and just said "she's a feminist".

[Koul]

If you want more lulz and potential perspective, the dramatica page is pretty good too: https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Zoe_Quinn

[Tarage]

I'm still trying to figure out how Penny Arcade fits into this.

[Teryu]

The KYM was copied from the original ED article actually lol.

[hey]

I agree with you on this. As much as i enjoy the harvest moon and rune factory games, relationships and marriage are a huge part of both games, and not being able to marry another guy definitely detracts a lot of the fun of it from me when my only options are being a guy myself and staying solo, or being stuck with a girl. (rune factory 4 did get around this ::slightly:: by letting you apply a costume to yourself to be almost any character you wanted, even if it was the opposite sex, but you still kept your original portrait and voice acting, so it was hardly perfect. And also all the eligible guys are total underage bishies instead of sexier characters like Bado, but that's a different complaint. q.q )

Yeah RF4 is a good example. Not only is there no gay marriage, but, like you said, all the male characters are young and really, uninteresting. I was really disappointed by this. It's still an amazing game, and i love it, but it was just something that really depressed me, and made it much less fun than it could have been for me, especially when i see the female characters are just so much more interesting, but too bad i could never date them. And some of them will even taunt you -_-

And also all the eligible guys are total underage bishies instead of sexier characters like Bado, but that's a different complaint. q.q )

It's the same complaint though. It's another way people who aren't straight (white) males are left out.

[Waraji]

If you want more lulz and potential perspective, the dramatica page is pretty good too: https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Zoe_Quinn

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lps7c...emo2o1_500.gif

[djzombie]

that dramatica page is comedy gold, thanks for the good read this morning.

[Meresgi]

Woke up and saw all these posts on Quinn, amazing.

[Restrat]

oh my god I really hope that guy gets some therapy if you are literally having multiple panic attacks from your SO's actions and your biggest concern is what you did wrong jeez come on man

[Kuya]

I think some of the claims are just based on perceptions of impropriety. Personally I can't say for sure one way or another whether there were direct tradeoffs, but it does give me a more negative view of the incestuous nature of a segment of the video game journalism community (which I think a lot of people don't hold in high regard to begin with). Honestly, it's probably not that much different in a lot of other professional industries, but it's a smaller community, it's less formal, there's a lot more PR involved, so when something like this comes along it blows up in the same way a political or entertainment scandal would.

As for trolling over Depression Quest, I think part of it was because it was generally a mediocre game (basically a choose your own adventure style game) that centered on a social issue, and a lot of people felt it got unfairly praised because of that. Lots of comparisons to Anita Sarkeesian, etc.

In all honesty if you had asked me about it before all of this went down, I would've said that's an unfair comparison to make. At this point, while I find it extremely uncomfortable to see someone's personal life being dragged into the public like this, if the core allegations are true I'm disappointed in the hypocrisy and I'm also disappointed in the way a lot of people are trying to spin the entire thing as slut-shaming or a misogynistic attack. It's unfortunate that both extremes suck up all the air in the room and turn it into something that nobody in the middle wants to be a part of (see Totalbiscuit, Jontron, etc.).

That's pretty much my sentiment about this. I find this whole ordeal perplexing, particularly because of the amount of vitriol that's being spewed out over this and a lot of the things she's being accused of sound like speculation. So i wondered what she did in the first place to get this much antipathy.

[Meresgi]

Friend linked this:

if you are literally having multiple panic attacks from your SO's actions

She raped him according to her own definition! This shit is very humorous, and a great way to spend a rainy Saturday.

[Arelian]

That's pretty much my sentiment about this. I find this whole ordeal perplexing, particularly because of the amount of vitriol that's being spewed out over this and a lot of the things she's being accused of sound like speculation. So i wondered what she did in the first place to get this much antipathy.

The weirdest part is that people crying "NEPOTISM!!!" are pretty much 100% wrong because the dude she slept with at Kotaku never wrote a review for her game and the only time he mentioned it in an article was months before the relations happened. All in all, it's an incredibly stupid thing and the Phil Fish being "hacked" bit has just made it even more dumb.

[Byrthnoth]

I can't say I would feel any particular animosity towards her for using the system to get what she wants, but if that was her goal she did not do it particularly well. In a male-dominated industry, she slept her way to notoriety but not any significant tangible success. Rather than a manipulative mastermind, she's probably just stupid, can't keep her pants on, and uses her casual connections when she thinks of it.

It does reflect poorly on Kotaku, not that their opinion was worth a shit anyway. Really though, are any of the "gamer" websites (and formerly magazines) worth a shit? They're all just ads of some form or another.

[Arelian]

Again, it's been shown that the guy she slept with at Kotaku didn't write any articles re: Depression Quest after he slept with her. Nor did he write a review.

What's infinitely more likely, in regards to her sleeping with people, is that she has a specific group of people she associates with (ie: a community of sorts) and those people just happen to be friends, in some capacity, and she slept with them. Y'know, the thing that adults do. Infidelity be damned, it's not a topic worth discuss on any "major" outlet because it's about someone's private life and has very little bearing on anything else.

[fantasticdan]

That's pretty much my sentiment about this. I find this whole ordeal perplexing, particularly because of the amount of vitriol that's being spewed out over this and a lot of the things she's being accused of sound like speculation. So i wondered what she did in the first place to get this much antipathy.

Not an expert on the subject, but she apparently fabricated (or at the very least grossly exaggerated) attacks/harassment against herself to garner support for her indie game, which was dead in the water beforehand. Seems to act like a complete twat/bully on social media, while simultaneously playing the victim.

[Meresgi]

Not an expert on the subject, but she apparently fabricated (or at the very least grossly exaggerated) attacks/harassment against herself to garner support for her indie game, which was dead in the water beforehand. Seems to act like a complete twat/bully on social media, while simultaneously playing the victim.

Apparently some shit went down with a Game Jam or something as well. Not 100% up on indie shit because I don't care but it's mentioned in a few of the videos I have watched.

[Tarage]

She raped him according to her own definition! This shit is very humorous, and a great way to spend a rainy Saturday.

Don't you know? It's impossible for women to rape.

[Vixy]

Again, it's been shown that the guy she slept with at Kotaku didn't write any articles re: Depression Quest after he slept with her. Nor did he write a review.

What's infinitely more likely, in regards to her sleeping with people, is that she has a specific group of people she associates with (ie: a community of sorts) and those people just happen to be friends, in some capacity, and she slept with them. Y'know, the thing that adults do. Infidelity be damned, it's not a topic worth discuss on any "major" outlet because it's about someone's private life and has very little bearing on anything else.

A "journalist" fucking people from the industry they cover, is ethical? Being a judge that gives out awards and notoriety to the ones they fuck, is ethical? Taking down an entire event and getting someone fired through your and the person you are fucking's word alone, which is reported by "journalists" who are also your friends, so that you can make your own event (never happened) and collect money based on sympathy alone, is ethical? Destroying an event by sending all of your Kotaku/RPS/Polygon/etc. friends and twitter followers to attack it when it was started all the effort to help make the best womens' idea for a game a reality, where 8% of proceeds went to the best idea and 92% to charity, is ethical? Honestly, that's just hitting the surface of everything that has gone down in the past few years. Please keep making it about a poor oppressed woman's private sex life being put into limelight, though.

[Correction]

Let's be real here, a week ago 98% of everyone who plays video games had never heard of Zoey Quinn, or had heard of her once ever then quickly forgot she was making a game. Now she's being accused of being the ringleader behind a huge censorship campaign. If you attempt to reconcile the former with the latter and parrot the 'evil wimmins are crushing dissent' you're kind of a retard.