Feminism Thread

[Smokie]

Man its hard out here for straight white man.

[hey]

So in this instance, why not just fucking address sexual harassment across gender lines, period, then? If anything, i'd think male victims have the least sympathy and resources availible to cope/deal with the act than women do. Seems pretty black-and-white to me: just fucking deal with all sexual harassment at once. You'd have a pan-gender coalition of people and no one can cry sexism or misogyny/misandry.

I guess because there is a significant subset of people who will care more if it disproportionally affects women.

[Charismatic]

I guess because there is a significant subset of people who will care more if it disproportionally affects women.

Yet we have no idea whether or not it does because we have no data!
In the end, it sounds like sexism to me.

[Edelweiss]

I guess because there is a significant subset of people who will care more if it disproportionally affects women.

No kidding.

[Eurell]

If in fact the difference is simply that men don't speak up about their abuse, then maybe they should, that way we can give them the attention they deserve.

Guys, remember that time when Hey was talking about laughing at rape victims?

Idk why more men don't just come forward about their abuse though.

[hey]

Guys, remember that time when Hey was talking about laughing at rape victims?

Idk why more men don't just come forward about their abuse though.

3 years ago? Yeah, i remember. I used to be a pretty terrible person. I like to think i've changed quite a bit for the better though, and i hope you won't hold it against me forever.

[NynJa]

3 years ago? Yeah, i remember. I used to be a pretty terrible person. I like to think i've changed quite a bit for the better though, and i hope you won't hold it against me forever.

You playing certain cards when they either work in your favor or against you, yeah have at it, we wont hold it against you.

[hey]

You playing certain cards when they either work in your favor or against you, yeah have at it, we wont hold it against you.

I was just a shitty person then, that's all there is to it. I have not, and would never say such things again since shortly after then. I was a stupid kid. I've grown up a bit since then. If you want to find faults in me, then i guess it shouldn't be too hard to find current ones. I guess it'd be more effective than bringing up stuff from the past that i already realize was terrible.

[Edelweiss]

Of course i'm fine with it. Women and men aren't in equal footing. That's the whole point of feminism.

To put it in an example you can understand: that's like questioning why black people focus on black issues and not the issues of every other ethnicity in America. Black people focus on black people because they've historically been at a disadvantage due to oppression and racism. Not to mention it would be hilarious to expect black people to work to fix every issue that plagues every other ethnicity in america, and not expect every ethnicity to handle its own issues.

If men don't care either way, that's fine, but maybe they should stop bitching about women actually taking care of their own shit.

Just quoting this again, because this is some crazy fucking shit. Isn't that what MRAs do? And i'm pretty sure they get called misogynists and bigots and shit for it.. so, wut? I don't agree with some of the more extreme aspects of it (particularly the lolconservative portions), but you can't say shit like that then shit on them for doing exactly what you prescribed.

I would expect people pushing for equality to band together across racial, socioeconomic (least likely I guess..) and gender lines to address all issues, regardless of their frequency and scope, at once.

[Eurell]

The point is, that's why a lot of people don't report it.

I'm happy you're a better person now, but that doesn't mean everybody is. And ignoring the fact that people are abused or anything else because they won't report it (to avoid being ridiculed and laughed at) is silly.

[Ksandra]

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In this particular case we are speaking on an issue that is relevant to both sexes and demonstrably so yet a certain group of people focuses only on their group. Clearly not the same thing.

Oh I completely agree and that's my point. Each case should
Be looked at individually to see if it is a "women issue" or a "men and women issue." And if it is the latter, fight for both.

In this specific case it is definitely a men and women issue.

[Ksandra]

So in this instance, why not just fucking address sexual harassment across gender lines, period, then? If anything, i'd think male victims have the least sympathy and resources availible to cope/deal with the act than women do. Seems pretty black-and-white to me: just fucking deal with all sexual harassment at once. You'd have a pan-gender coalition of people and no one can cry sexism or misogyny/misandry.

Qft

[hey]

I'm happy you're a better person now, but that doesn't mean everybody is. And ignoring the fact that people are abused or anything else because they won't report it (to avoid being ridiculed and laughed at) is silly.

You're definitely right, but it is hard to get people to care about a problem they don't know exists, and there is not much evidence of it. Men feeling ashamed or embarrassed about this kind of thing though is a much broader issue that should be addressed separately. And i do think that is a very important issue, and i do talk about it sometimes, and call people out on it when i see them shaming men for not being strong, or having emotions. It is really bad, and frequently prevents men from getting help when they need it, including in this case.

[Kuya]

For kuya:

Transsexuals needed to fight to get their sex changed on birth certificates. This really is not an issue for gays. So I could see why it is mostly transsexuals fighting for it. However, we have the LGBT movement to encompass several who are discriminated against in regards to sexual identity. Become many of them share the same discrimination in other areas. (Some more than others, but we still fight for all).

The difference is though, this is an explicit alliance being made between different groups of people who are often attacked by the same group of people (religious right dickfucks). There is no alliance between mras and feminists, because the former mostly focuses on attacking feminism. Meanwhile, real men's rights activist focus on issues such as parental leave for fathers, equal weight in courts when it comes to who should have child custody, and the harm that traditional male gender norms can have on men's health. Then we have internet mras who just like to bitch about feminists.

[Kuya]

Just quoting this again, because this is some crazy fucking shit. Isn't that what MRAs do? And i'm pretty sure they get called misogynists and bigots and shit for it.. so, wut? I don't agree with some of the more extreme aspects of it (particularly the lolconservative portions), but you can't say shit like that then shit on them for doing exactly what you prescribed.

I would expect people pushing for equality to band together across racial, socioeconomic (least likely I guess..) and gender lines to address all issues, regardless of their frequency and scope, at once.

No.

Like the previous post i made, there are two very very different kind of MRAS. One, usually found on the internet, seems to believe the cause of all their problems are women and feminism. The other form of men's activists (who don't like the label mra because of the stigma associated to it thanks the former group) actually does something for men rather than complain about women all day.

[Charismatic]

There is no alliance between mras and feminists, because the former mostly focuses on attacking feminism. Meanwhile, real men's rights activist focus on issues such as parental leave for fathers, equal weight in courts when it comes to who should have child custody, and the harm that traditional male gender norms can have on men's health. Then we have internet mras who just like to bitch about feminists.

Pour one out for the true scotsmen; ;
Also, the things you said here aren't even mutually exclusive. A lot of these "internet MRAs" are the exact same people who focus on issues such as parental leave for fathers and so on.


Sometimes I wonder if there's a sane bone left in that body of yours, Kuya!

[Kuya]

Qft

What I don't understand is, if women were so successful in addressing female rape victims, why don't men organize to do the same?

Is it really women's fault that men don't give a fuck?

[Kuya]

Pour one out for the true scotsmen; ;
Also, the things you said here aren't even mutually exclusive. A lot of these "internet MRAs" are the exact same people who focus on issues such as parental leave for fathers and so on.


Sometimes I wonder if there's a sane bone left in that body of yours, Kuya!

Let's focus on you then. If we were to collect the majority of your posts on this forum. What would be the result? Would most of them be about you bitching about feminism or you discussing men's issues?

[Not Kuno]

What I don't understand is, if women were so successful in addressing female rape victims, why don't men organize to do the same?

It's almost as if a mysterious force is stopping this

[Koul]

I feel like when men complain about harassment it's mostly ALWAYS brushed off and they're laughed at or people sweep it under the rug. I'll try finding them when I get home but there's been articles on kotaku about males being harrassed and bullied via internet trolls and the articles almost always end with "the threats don't seem serious, so no need to worry guys. move along" yet when it's a woman who gets threatened its: "OMG! This poor dainty little flower of a woman got called a slut online. Everyone to her rescue! donate money! protect her at all COSTS!"