Feminism Thread

**Ksandra** · 2014-09-01 00:35

Originally Posted by hey

Feminism includes a huge number of different ideologies, some of which are pretty fucking awful. You can't really judge them all by the actions of a small few.

Are you saying those like kuya who think its all rainbows to only care about women and think it's ok to take nonwomen issues and turn them into such are a small few? I doubt that.

Here is what I find crazy. When I say I am not a feminist, instantly I get the response, "well if you believe in equal rights for women you are!"

Yet every fucking argument coming from a feminist pisses me off because too many are like kuya. Acting like we should only give a shit about women in everything. That the whole world is women vs. men. That men can't have a say because they aren't women. And they take every little thing and make it sound like it is a woman's issue when it isn't.

This isn't a small few. Not even close.

Anita is not shit on because she is a women. She is not getting hated on because she is a women. She is not getting death threats because she is a woman. She is getting shit on because people think she is wrong and got under their skin for the shit she says. The language needs to change. When people fight against this it should not be about the poor women getting harassed, it should be the poor people getting harassed. No one deserves it, man or women. And we shouldn't have to make an official club to get people to stop acting like shitheads.

Hey you wanted to know how to change it, well it kinda comes down to the whole kids are our future stuff. For generations boys were told don't hit women, when both boys and girls should have been taught to don't hit anyone. This language seems to be changing.

I will teach my kids to not harass people on the internet, not don't harass women on the internet. I can hope more parents do the same. And though that will take forever to see the change, I think it will go a lot farther than people licking Anita's boots while she rolls a twenty.

**Galkaeater** · 2014-09-01 00:59

Originally Posted by Priran

that's like if I said "I don't like republicans because they don't support obamacare" and you said "whoa hey man that's a bit of a strawman, it's only a vocal minority!"

nearly every high-profile feminist, i.e. ones with real degrees writing columns and attracting thousands of followers, has said some variant of "whites are in power so you can't be racist against whites". it's in fucking feminism textbooks.

Maybe because not saying white people / males are the devil generates less clicks, most people are apolitical.

**Teryu** · 2014-09-01 04:51

What's people's opinions on anti-rape nail polish?

**Koul** · 2014-09-01 04:59

I think of it as another tool to help protect and empower woman from potential shitbags.

**Teryu** · 2014-09-01 05:11

Apparently feminists are going apeshit about it since it's apparently victim blaming to give women tools to help protect themselves.

**Not Kuno** · 2014-09-01 09:06

Originally Posted by Charismatic

I used to believe this too until I learned more about feminism and learned that its always been more about revenge and spite than they let on.

Yep. Feminists like to claim ITS TEH PATRIARCHY BACKFIRING ON MEN when guys talk about how some stuff is unfair to them when you can literally look at which feminists were the ones who made laws that way. The Duluth Model/Primary Aggressor laws, Tender Years Doctrine, and going back to the trans stuff I said a few pages back, a radfem named Janice Raymond wrote a book that pushed back trans rights/acceptance about 50 years and still hasn't gotten better since.

But please, tell me about this equality you strive for when the very ones making the laws are the "radicals".

**Koul** · 2014-09-01 12:27

Originally Posted by Teryu

Apparently feminists are going apeshit about it since it's apparently victim blaming to give women tools to help protect themselves.

I had a LOOONNGG convo with a friend on fb about this. It was a guy who posted the article bitching about it saying how offensive it was and his female friends were disagreeing with him as was I. The usual stance on why it's "sexist" or whatever the hell is because they see it as another rule they need to do in order to not get raped. Which is bullshit. It's not a rule nor is it the way to solve all the problems of rape. It's just another option to help curve the potential of rape. "But if I get raped I'll be victim blamed and told I deserved it because I didn't wear my nail polish!" that's a bullshit emotional moot point that needs to be dealt with when it happens. The argument was also brought up about "why don't we invent things that the RAPISTS has to wear" which, we're all pretty smrt here. I'm confident we can all see why that point is absolute unrealistic garbage.

**NynJa** · 2014-09-01 12:35

The only reason your friend finds it offensive is because he cant slip his date rape in a girls drink no more lol, lets be honest here.

**Kuya** · 2014-09-01 13:43

Should probably rename the thread to the "I don't like feminism, rawr rawr rawr" thread. It's original purpose has long been lost.

**Rhinox** · 2014-09-01 13:45

Is that not the thread title now?

**Charismatic** · 2014-09-01 13:48

It pretty much has been exactly that for quite some time.

**BaneTheBrawler** · 2014-09-01 13:52

so how about dat fappening

**hey** · 2014-09-01 14:53

Originally Posted by Koul

Would you say that the actions of those small few are becoming the loudest voices though? I feel like it is, in regards to gaming at least.

Yes.

Originally Posted by Priran

that's like if I said "I don't like republicans because they don't support obamacare" and you said "whoa hey man that's a bit of a strawman, it's only a vocal minority!"

nearly every high-profile feminist, i.e. ones with real degrees writing columns and attracting thousands of followers, has said some variant of "whites are in power so you can't be racist against whites". it's in fucking feminism textbooks.

That's not true, and there's a lot more feminists than just the high profile ones. They are an extremely small minority. You're also missreading that book. Reverse racism/sexism indeed is not a thing. It's just called racism/sexism. It clearly says that women can be just as prejudiced. I assume the intended meaning is that women cannot discriminate against men as much as men can against women, because women have less power. Which...is true?

Originally Posted by Ksandra

Are you saying those like kuya who think its all rainbows to only care about women and think it's ok to take nonwomen issues and turn them into such are a small few? I doubt that.

No, that's not what i'm saying.

Here is what I find crazy. When I say I am not a feminist, instantly I get the response, "well if you believe in equal rights for women you are!"

Yeah, i agree with you on this, this is really stupid. There is more to being a feminist than that.

Yet every fucking argument coming from a feminist pisses me off because too many are like kuya. Acting like we should only give a shit about women in everything. That the whole world is women vs. men. That men can't have a say because they aren't women. And they take every little thing and make it sound like it is a woman's issue when it isn't.

This isn't a small few. Not even close.

Feminism's job is to help women. Not men, just women. It's nice if we can also help men at the same time, but that isn't the goal of feminism. Again: sometimes it's easier to break down a problem into smaller parts and just focus on one part than it is to solve the entire problem. So no, this isn't a small few, but i wouldn't consider this a bad thing either.

Anita is not shit on because she is a women. She is not getting hated on because she is a women. She is not getting death threats because she is a woman. She is getting shit on because people think she is wrong and got under their skin for the shit she says. The language needs to change. When people fight against this it should not be about the poor women getting harassed, it should be the poor people getting harassed. No one deserves it, man or women. And we shouldn't have to make an official club to get people to stop acting like shitheads.

Yes, you're right in this case.

**Qalbert** · 2014-09-01 15:01

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...stice-Warriors

**NynJa** · 2014-09-01 15:03

Originally Posted by hey

Feminism's job is to help women. Not men, just women. It's nice if we can also help men at the same time, but that isn't the goal of feminism. Again: sometimes it's easier to break down a problem into smaller parts and just focus on one part than it is to solve the entire problem. So no, this isn't a small few, but i wouldn't consider this a bad thing either.

How do you break down people being assholes on the internet? Thats not a womans problem