Feminism Thread

**Arelian** · 2014-09-05 18:15

The same thing is happening with Destiny, too!

God dammit tapatalk. I was referring to "review copies" not going out early.

**Tarage** · 2014-09-05 18:33

Originally Posted by Callisto

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/foru...-review-copies

wakka wakka

And guess what? Most reviewers and people agree that it's shit. Shocking how that works.

**Arelian** · 2014-09-05 18:40

People totally agree! And I think most places would be glad to be out from under that particular thumb. What are some solutions, though?

I'm personally of the opinion that gaming "news" just isn't strong enough to stand on its own. You need to offer something more and/or offer a "premium" experience that people can pay for.

**Tarage** · 2014-09-05 18:42

That's a much better question to be asking. It's one that I personally don't have an answer to, but it's much better than stomping your foot and saying "it's corrupt and there's nothing we can do about it so let's ignore devs fucking reviewers".

**Arelian** · 2014-09-05 18:44

There are a number of people bringing it up now, though they are also saying that right now may not be the best time to try and solve it. People are too fired up, too eager to take obvious bait -- to eager to bait.

That's not to say there's a good time for a conversation like this, but I do think there are decidedly bad times for it.

**quannum** · 2014-09-05 18:52

some sort of wall would need to be between publisher and critique, a generic solution would be to involve a 3rd party escrow service for the media to be reviewed and a 3rd party ad network. reviews would probably need to be done in a pseudonymous manner.

EA gives out 3 reviews copies of sims 4 to the 3rd party
3rd party chooses which 3 review sites get the copies.
reviewer makes scathing review, but EA isn't able to deny them future access unless they don't want anything reviewed anymore.

how does the 3rd party get to assert any sort of authority? i dunno.
doesn't this just kick the problem down to a corrupt 3rd party? yea probably.

**Correction** · 2014-09-05 18:58

Originally Posted by Arelian

What are some solutions, though?

I'm personally of the opinion that gaming "news" just isn't strong enough to stand on its own. You need to offer something more and/or offer a "premium" experience that people can pay for.

Originally Posted by Tarage

That's a much better question to be asking. It's one that I personally don't have an answer to, but it's much better than stomping your foot and saying "it's corrupt and there's nothing we can do about it so let's ignore devs fucking reviewers".

Advertising supported news is horrible at making money and staying objective. Behold the staggering disparity in popularity and income between Fox News and, say, PBS. Right now this is the boat every enthusiast press site is in. Try as they might to instill some sense of integrity they are forever in bed with publishers because they just don't have the operating budget to gain access to what they need (free games) to offer coverage otherwise. There will always be opportunity for corporate meddling in editorial content as long as advertising is king. This is true of most media, but enthusiast press is especially vulnerable because access is everything; game companies offer about as much transparency to their process as the NSA.
The other path is to create an independent publication that is supported by a hands-off trust. This is how the Christian Science Monitor operates. Some trusts operate on a grant award system, without necessarily being tied to a specific publication. Securing such a trust for coverage of video games may prove extremely difficult, but the payoff for actual, hard journalism about a multibillion dollar industry would be tremendous, if that's what people really want.

**Cantih** · 2014-09-05 20:27

Regarding access.
The way I see early access for review working, does have a bit of chicken and egg problem.

If you have a credible coverage organization first, (you'd have to start out doing post-release reviews to build this), a place where when coverage releases it produces a sales spike despite the delay*, you have something that can then take early access copies.
The lead time to produce the review needs to be the same as the time for a post-release review, and the article should be posted a single day before release. (And yes, for software leak reasons, there does have to be stiff consequences on the coverage side as well.)
If publishers aren't happy with this, or decide to pull early access for a bad review, then fine, fuck them, they go back to the post-release coverage line like before.

Because if you have a credible organization keeping eye, the only reason a publisher wouldn't want that before-sale coverage, is if they know they're doing bad shit no sensible person would want to pay for if they knew.

*Or lower than forecasted release numbers and no spike, for a negative review.

**Teryu** · 2014-09-05 22:56

**Priran** · 2014-09-06 11:13

SJWs getting some minor backlash on twitter

which zoe quinn tries to discredit by posting 4chan irc logs

tl;dr: genetic fallacy not covered in feminism class

**Meresgi** · 2014-09-06 17:01

Spoiler: show

4chan is pretending to be women and minorities!!

**Vixy** · 2014-09-07 05:06

Originally Posted by Priran

tl;dr: genetic fallacy not covered in feminism class

Originally Posted by Meresgi

4chan is pretending to be women and minorities!!

It gets worse. That examiner used the biggest SRS/FYAD troll on the internet itself, outside Laurelai, as proof. You know, the one who's been doing this exact same thing for years, and in all likelihood made the account them self. Retweeted... by fellow SA member Zoe. I wonder where the idea of false flagging Wizardchan for attention came from?:

Also Neogaf baiting people into getting banned with this account. Never seen so many people censored/banned for legitamate civil discourse in my life. The picture got multiple people instabanned/hidden for posting it (3 active mods in the thread):

**Charismatic** · 2014-09-07 15:22

woop woop

http://www.lordkat.com/igf-and-indie...keteering.html

**Cantih** · 2014-09-08 18:53

Sanity
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/arti...t-on-Gamergate

**Koul** · 2014-09-08 21:51

Originally Posted by Cantih

Sanity
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/arti...t-on-Gamergate

This is what Gamergate and notyourshield is all about. I hope other gaming sites see that and take notes. I'm sure Anita will still be screaming her head off though about how it's evil and blahblahblah gamers r ded. derp

**Meresgi** · 2014-09-09 15:38

So did anything happen with Anita and the whole CP shit on Twitter?

**Koul** · 2014-09-09 16:11

Probably not. Just like how nothing has happened with her super omg GOTCHA FBI internet bullying crap.

I think this article is also somewhat interesting also ***TRIGGER WARNING***:

http://www.aaup.org/report/trigger-warnings

**Meresgi** · 2014-09-09 16:18

Originally Posted by Koul

Probably not. Just like how nothing has happened with her super omg GOTCHA FBI internet bullying crap.

I think this article is also somewhat interesting also ***TRIGGER WARNING***:

http://www.aaup.org/report/trigger-warnings

**Waraji** · 2014-09-09 16:55

Such is the continued pussification of the US student. Both female and male. It's like we took a step back to 1950's America.

**Priran** · 2014-09-09 18:00

You actually read it, right? People have been calling for classroom trigger warnings for months, this is an organization of professors saying it's a harmful idea they don't support.

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