2012 NHL Offseason Thread: ROCK OUT WITH YOUR LOCKOUT

[Thoronas]

What do you mean if?

[Brill Weave]

I'm in BK's camp now. There will be no season. To believe, or even hope for otherwise is naive at best. This is pretty much the same way the last lockout played out albeit there seemed to be a bit less gamesmanship.

[bluefan]

Time to bust out the voodoo doll.

/uses white paint to make a pattern on face

[Brill Weave]

tl;dr NHLPA has moved away from the guaranteed dollar amount and agreed to no more light back end contracts. Nothing other than that.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...1272--nhl.html

One of the stalemates in the NHL's CBA talks has been the players' refusal to work within the framework of the owners' most recent proposal.

One of the basic conflicts: The NHL wanted a deal that's linked to revenue growth rather than a guaranteed amount of money to the players.

"If their proposal continues to be a guaranteed player amount, sitting here on Nov. 19, that's not a proposal that would ... ever be acceptable to us," deputy commissioner Bill Daly said on Monday.

The NHLPA was expected to come back with a proposal on Wednesday, and propose they did: According to union chief Donald Fehr and multiple sources, the NHLPA has moved to a percentage-based proposal rather than a fixed dollar amount.

From Kevin Allen of USA Today, some context:

Previously, players had been seeking a fixed dollar amount: last year's $1.883 billion, plus 1.75% interest over the life of the deal.

Also, [according to a source], the union is asking the league to add $180 million to its make whole proposal. The league had offered $211 million in deferred payments designed to ensure that players didn't lose money off existing contracts with the drop of the players' share from 57% to a 50-50 split.

Hence, the devil's still in the details. Fehr said the sides are $182 million apart over five years.

According to Allan Walsh's math, that's "$1.26 million per team per year." Let's see how the NHL calculates it.

Even if the core economics are agreed upon, there are still a number of contracting issues at play. James Mirtle reports that "the NHLPA's only move on contract rights was a proposal on eliminating back-diving contracts."

That's great; but is that enough for the owners, who were asking for several other changes to current contracting?

The NHL's response is expected this afternoon. At the very least, we won't have to hear more complaining that the players aren't negotiating. At least in theory.

[Brill Weave]

They have now reconvened for the afternoon session.

[Brill Weave]

Breakdown of the NHLPA's offer stolen from Bob McKenzie

The NHLPA breakdown of the $393M it is seeking for Make Whole is as follows: Year 1: 182M, Year 2: 128M, Year 3: 72M, Year 4: 11M.

Also in PA proposal: For on-ice discipline, appeal process to neutral arbitrator or panel of 3 arbitrators (one NHL, one NHLPA, one neutral.) Note, that was on "appeal," not the initial disciplinary ruling. For off-ice discipline, appeal process to an impartial arbitrator.

NHLPA proposes elimination of re-entry waivers and the four-recall rule post trade deadline.

NHLPA also proposes any salary over $1M in the minors gets counted against the cap but not the players' share.

The NHLPA proposal on "cap benefit recapture" (anti-backdiving measure) only applies to new contracts and deals of 9 or more years.

NHLPA proposes the Upper Limit (salary cap) may not fall below 67.25 M in any year of the agreement.

If my math is correct, and it may be suspect due to HRR projections and my own stupidity, amended player share (to include Make Whole) is: A shade over 55 per cent in Year 1, a shade under 54 per cent in Year 2, 52 per cent in Year 3, and 50. 3 per cent in Year 4.

[BadKarma]

http://deadspin.com/5962468/?utm_cam...ium=socialflow


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[Brill Weave]

Even I'm stifling laughter at that. Wtf Sid lmao.

[Callisto]

I've probably rather hang out with The Beibs over Crosby

[Brill Weave]

YOU FUCKING LIAR!

[Mote]

so that you could have more teenage girls pawing at you Calli? I think that's unlikely

[Ishido]

Hanging out with the Biebs would be terrible. I can't imagine a more awkward or unpleasant social experience.

Hanging out with Crosby would be sitting around awkwardly and him trying to talk about hockey.

"Hey Sid, seen any good movies recently?"

"No... I've been you know... skating and stuff... I like skating a lot..."

Sort of like hanging out with a cardboard cutout of him with a tape recorder taped to the back

[Callisto]

I think Beiber would have more interesting stories, he does hang out with Victoria's Secret models and shit, of you asked Crosby what he wanted to do for the night he'd probably just say 'work hard and get pucks to the net'.

[Callisto]

so that you could have more teenage girls pawing at you Calli? I think that's unlikely

Damn right, I'll bring Sep with

[Thoronas]

NHL rejected the deal. Welp, see you all next year. (Maybe)

[BadKarma]

Goodbye season. I hardly knew ye.

[bluefan]

Time to go to my dentist appointment and me my Dr, well him mostly seeing as how my mouth will be occupied, can rage about the lost season.

Fuck I'm scared.

[Selamis]

http://deadspin.com/5962468/?utm_cam...ium=socialflow


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And there goes the very slight edge that Sep had while mocking the Jets for giving this kid box seats to a game lol

[Selamis]

Also I want to share this from Down Goes Brown:

@DownGoesBrown: Donald Fehr: "Well, today was a clear PR win for us as long as nobody goes on Twitter and threatens to kill Gary Bettman hahaha OH COME ON!

[BadKarma]

http://snyrangersblog.com/rangers/tw...-gary-bettman/

lol I love MDZ