2012 NHL Offseason Thread: ROCK OUT WITH YOUR LOCKOUT

[BadKarma]

Where the fuck does Philly fit these things under the cap?

[Richybear]

Philly has roughly 8m in cap space, I assume more if they put Pronger on LTIR.
But wow, bye bye Weber

[Eckskalibur]

Fucking insane. I'm sure Nashville will match it, but Jesus Christ.. That would be amazing for Philadelphia.

[Selamis]

If this goes through I have to think this is a bigger news story than Parise and Suter going to the Wild, just because I view this as coming out of nowhere. I assumed that Weber would re-sign with the Preds and not leave them, but fuck, that offer either way fucks over Nashville. Either they pay and get screwed in salary cap or they don't pay, Weber walks, and they lose their top two d in the same offseason.

[Richybear]

I wouldn't even bother matching if I was Nashville now. Leave Philly 42 cents under the cap, and start building the team around Wulfgang. Invite him back to Nashville like "We only have 4 d-men left, and you know how to spell the word 'hockey', you're hired! In fact, you'll be top pairing."

Can't imagine how Rinne would feel when his defense consists of 1 established NHLer if Weber goes. LOL

[Chips]

I must be out of my mind. An offer sheet? For upwards of 100M? From Philly? Holy shit. Holmgren has either gone mad or is an evil genius. Bye bye four first round picks.

[Ishido]

Paul Holmgren has some disease where he is incapable of doing nothing.

[BadKarma]

Paul Holmgren has some disease where he is incapable of doing nothing.

*must trade 2 of 3 best players on team* Must not play defense.

[Ishido]

Also I don't see how Nashville doesn't match this. They might trade him afterwards, because I'm sure they can get better than 4 firsts for Shea Weber on a 14 year deal.

EDIT: Can't sign and trade within a one year period.

That makes things interesting!

[Chips]

Honestly, what I'm now expecting is a match-and-trade. They're going to match his contract, then trade him for better assets than four first round picks in the mid 20s.

[Sepukku]

Talk about forcing Pred's hand; testing if theyre ever going to open their wallets as a franchise, now is the time. 14yr/100ish mil is roughly the same as 7yr/49mil for Rinne, so its not outlandish of them to give a player that amount per year, its the length and overall commitment that is crazy. Problem for Weber is that Nashville can match it and he has to stay in Nashville for life (assuming Preds don't trade him) and I was getting the impression more and more that he wanted the hell out.

From a Pens fan perspective; I hope Nashville matches.

If I'm Nashville, I give honest thought to not matching it however.

Seriously how the mother fuck does Philly still have cap room? Do they realize Giroux is getting AO/Sid/Stamkos type money soon?

Or better yet, do they realize Giroux AND Courtourier AND Brayden Schenn AND Matt Read ALL become free agents in 2 years? Right now those 4 make about 9.2 mil per year. You're looking at 25-30 mil+ for those four ALONE in 2 seasons. (8 giroux + 7 coutourier + 6 schenn + 5-6 read)

And they already got 30.4mil committed for that season after 2 seasons from now. Oh, and if they players negotiate down from 57 to anywhere in the 46-56 range, that means the cap drops too.

[Ishido]

Read on another forum an idea that makes sense; the offer sheet allowed Weber to get the deal he wanted, rather than have to argue over a few mil or a few years with Poile. So Philly offers him the terms he wants, and now he gets to either have the contract he wants to stay in Nashville, or the contract he wants to play on a pretty good team (until he gets traded due to Holmgren's dementia).

No idea how the contract talks and negotiation would work with all of that, but it seems plausible.

[Sepukku]

Flyers could be looking at:

Giroux 8
Courtourier 7
Schenn 6.5
Read 5.5
Bryz 5.7
Weber 7+
Briere 6.5
Coburn 4.5
Luke Schenn 3.6
Grossman 3.5
Talbot 1.75

Which means 11 people on your team total 59.6 million. Good luck filling 9+ spots if the cap goes down; it'll probably then just be re-passing at the less than 57% rate this coming year's would-be cap at the 57% rate. And if theres a strike/lockout/etc and revenues really take a tumble, there goes your team for the next 10 years because.....

YOU WONT HAVE ANY FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS TO GET YOUNG CHEAP ENTRY LEVEL TALENT IN THOSE REMAINING 9 SPOTS.

[Judai]

Philly just attempting to load up and win the cup, then sell off players when they have to sign their young guys.

[Sepukku]

Flyers could very well end up gutting their farm system losing all those first round picks and having to trade away either Weber or some of their talented forwards (former first round picks and top line talent). Very risky move, very very risky; makes them a juggernaut for two years though at least.

[Ishido]

Flyers could be looking at:

Giroux 8
Courtourier 7
Schenn 6.5
Read 5.5
Bryz 5.7
Weber 7+
Briere 6.5
Coburn 4.5
Luke Schenn 3.6
Grossman 3.5
Talbot 1.75

Which means 11 people on your team total 59.6 million. Good luck filling 9+ spots if the cap goes down; it'll probably then just be re-passing at the less than 57% rate this coming year's would-be cap at the 57% rate. And if theres a strike/lockout/etc and revenues really take a tumble, there goes your team for the next 10 years because.....

YOU WONT HAVE ANY FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS TO GET YOUNG CHEAP ENTRY LEVEL TALENT IN THOSE REMAINING 9 SPOTS.

While this is true in principle you are over-valuing the contracts that all of these players will sign. Some of them will be expiring ELCs, some will be RFA contracts. I know this is 100% Pens homerism trying to spell doom upon a rival but it's pretty realistic. There are always buyers, and many teams would love to be able to do what Philly is trying to do now, sell the future for a Cup now. Even more so since they will probably be fine (although not in a fun position) in a few years time.

[Thoronas]

Damn, was really hoping Vancouver would somehow score Weber. Rinne must be fucking pissed right now. If his numbers are even close to as good as the last few years it will be a miracle.

[vagus]

Fuck you Philly. Tried to swipe Kesler and now theyve done it to Nashville. I guess Bryz needs major help since Pronger is done. If this is what Webber was going after I'm glad Canucks didn't attempt him.

[NynJa]

CBA strike looms as well. Im pretty sure that could be a factor in any aftermath

[Richybear]

Isn't it funny how it's gone though?
Wasn't the Kesler offer sheet a few years back like 1 year, $2m or something? Fast forward a few seasons and 14yrs, $100m+.
I realize the Kesler thing was like 4x his previous salary, but still.

I can't wait for teams to dick over the Oilers for Hall (maybe) and Eberle (more likely than Taylor) next summer unless the Oilers can lock them up at some point this season.
The only reason I'm scared of it happening are what they did to Anaheim with Penner, and to Buffalo with Vanek.

Gagner goes to arbitration on Friday, since I doubt him and Edmonton will reach anything before then. I guess he wants a 4 or 5 year deal, Oilers are offering 1. But you know the arbitrator is gonna bring up Hudler or Perron's new deals, so I expect something between 3.5~4.0 per season for him. RNH is the #1C by a longshot, but Gags is easily #2C here. I mean, they have what else at C, Whorecough? lawl.