Man hit by car, news @ 11

[Siatdiat]

I did and i missed it. How do we know they were profiling? They saw a kid picking up some pavers and stopped to question him. Do you think they wouldn't have stopped to question a white person doing this? I see no reason to believe they wouldn't.

I know racisim exists and is a big problem, but I don't see it here, unless im missing something.

I am a generally moderate person, don't like to leap to conclusions about things, or be moved by what seem like partial truths about a situations designed to tug at peoples heart strongs. However, I have known too many people from all across the country, from west coast to mid west to south east, etc. who have shared their own experiences of being guilty of blackness. To some degree cops will fuck with people just for being young as well, so being young and black is the most unlucky combo.

Probably the one extreme view I hold is that I hate the police in general, because all I have ever seen evidence of them doing is trying to catch people for traffic violations and when possible, trying to find legit probable cause for them to stop almost anyone they can and fuck with them. A year of personal experience in military police showed me the gang like, bully mentality that is the norm. Decent cops that actually give a shit in my experience are rare.

Add: I don't think that some dude picking up some old bricks would typically be considered stealing. I mean I am trying to think about what it would look like if I saw a dude picking up some old bricks, the last thought that comes to mind is that he is trying to steal some bricks. Meanwhile some girl is getting raped somewhere. I'm sure that somewhere in the police department there are some detectives who actually now and then have the chance to do something worth a fuck, but patrol cops are just bullies looking for the chance to get involved and fuck with people.

[Milkster]

But you guys don't know what the police were thinking. You can't call racism because someone else before them has been racist. At 5:30 in the morning, they saw a kid collecting pavers. Idc what color he was, I would assume he was stealing too. All he had to do was stand there and say he had permission and everything would have been solved. Instead he ran. Chasing a suspect does not make you racist.

You automatically make assumptions before getting information? You must be one of the best officers out there. If you're assuming he's stealing, why wouldn't you assume he's carrying a weapon then as well? Might as well neutralize the threat before it happens.

[AidenCarby]

Point is, he could have said "bro, it's cool the shop owners right here he said it was ok" instead of running. If you run from police, they don't see it as you panicking, they see it as you evading the law and of course they're gonna chase you.

[AoE]

It's only racist if the balls touch.

[Eurell]

I am a generally moderate person, don't like to leap to conclusions about things, or be moved by what seem like partial truths about a situations designed to tug at peoples heart strongs. However, I have known too many people from all across the country, from west coast to mid west to south east, etc. who have shared their own experiences of being guilty of blackness. To some degree cops will fuck with people just for being young as well, so being young and black is the most unlucky combo.

Probably the one extreme view I hold is that I hate the police in general, because all I have ever seen evidence of them doing is trying to catch people for traffic violations and when possible, trying to find legit probable cause for them to stop almost anyone they can and fuck with them. A year of personal experience in military police showed me the gang like, bully mentality that is the norm. Decent cops that actually give a shit in my experience are rare.

I agree that a lot of cops are fucking horrible, although I don't think its the majority. Even if it was however, most cops being racist, does not mean that these were.

You automatically make assumptions before getting information? You must be one of the best officers out there. If you're assuming he's stealing, why wouldn't you assume he's carrying a weapon then as well? Might as well neutralize the threat before it happens.

Wut? How do you get information from someone that runs the second they see a cop?

Please tell me what you would think if you saw a kid collecting pavers at 5:30 in the morning.

[Lenus]

Didn’t read the whole thing at first, mainly because the first 2 paragraphs where sounding like a big eye puppy dog, worlds smallest violin story. Which after reading that’s exactly what it freaking was, like one of those stories where the "inner city youth" burns a animal to death/murders someone and then the mother goes to the media preaching he’s a good boy while posting a image of him in his church cloths.

Like others have said it is a common tactic of the police to cut off a fleeing suspect so that they run into to the car, not the other way around "car running into them", to repeat one of the worst things to do is run from the police.

Had a similar story here where a inner city youth run from the police, ran inside his house police chasing him in if I remember right and the suspect had his dog attack the officer, dog shot and killed, inner city youth apprehended.

[Siatdiat]

I like how some are suggesting that a kid is supposed to have the good judgement not to run from the police, yet the police officers aren't expected to have the good judgement not to run someone down with a car for the possible crime of stealing old bricks.

[Eurell]

In case this is directed at me, I'm not touching on the car thing. I'm just asking why this is immediately called racism. So far the best answers have been, because some other cops somewhere re racist.

[Milkster]

Wut? How do you get information from someone that runs the second they see a cop?

Please tell me what you would think if you saw a kid collecting pavers at 5:30 in the morning.

I would think that it's a kid collecting pavers at 5:30 in the morning...

How do you get information from someone, when you see them, you start chasing them down. He didn't run first, they did.

[Brill Weave]

Cops tell you to stop, you stop. Pretty fucking simple ending to this. Had he listened he would still be alive.

[Gadritan]

I like how some are suggesting that a kid is supposed to have the good judgement not to run from the police, yet the police officers aren't expected to have the good judgement not to run someone down with a car for the possible crime of stealing old bricks.

You're being willfully ignorant. Or just ignorant. Yes, the kid IS supposed to understand that you don't run from the police for no reason. It's called parenting.

Again, the cops weren't aiming for the kid, they were trying to cut him off. It's a common tactic and suspects being run over and/or injured/killed has happened plenty of times in the past. This story sucks, but you're kidding yourself if you think it was an isolated incident or that it was done intentionally.

Watch some cops or wildest police chases sometime and count how many times they do this each episode.

[Gadritan]

He didn't run first, they did.

You clearly have no understanding of the concept "chase."

[ronin sparthos]

Point is, he could have said "bro, it's cool the shop owners right here he said it was ok" instead of running. If you run from police, they don't see it as you panicking, they see it as you evading the law and of course they're gonna chase you.

You're assuming the cops would listen to reason which when it comes to blacks/hispanics they're known to ignore. I think we both agree running was a bad idea.

Not saying all cops are bad but when you're black its 'guilty until proven innocent' and proving innocence (like whipping out a cellphone to call mgmt) can be construed as reaching for a gun.

[Eurell]

I would think that it's a kid collecting pavers at 5:30 in the morning...

How do you get information from someone, when you see them, you start chasing them down. He didn't run first, they did.

Started looking around for more info. He was 27 so I should probably stop calling him a kid lol. Not one article I've read though, said that cops ran before he did.

I've seen an article saying cops were responding to a call that said he was stealing. And another said that Tamon ran as soon as he saw the cops show up. Both of these articles point out that he did have permission and was not actually stealing anything. That doesn't change the facts that if cops get a theft call, and the suspect takes the fuck off, they have to chase him.

If you can show me an article of them just pulling up for no reason and trying to run him down with their car (they never even got out of it did they?) then cool. But so far everything points to this just being a shitty non racial tragedy.

[Siatdiat]

The qualification to drive a police car is the same as to drive an ambulance. Obviously, mistakes can happen. How about the part in this particular story where the medical report doesn't line up with the police report though? Conspiracy to cover ones ass right there.

As far as a kid running from the police, what is the culture he lives in? I'm guessing he lives in a culture that is distrustful of cops in general. Does that cultural norm exist for no reason?

To elaborate, when I was in high school, I knew a kid who was guilty of being black and driving too nice a car. He was driving his uncles car who was visiting from New York and they stopped him for some weak ass PC on the highway. They ended up detaining him for hours, and had a canine unit roll out to sniff his car, then ended up disassembling parts of the car right there on the side of the road. In the end they let him go home, but his parents and uncle showed up by then. Shit like this is why black people run from the police. Seeing now that he was 27, I think he had enough personal experience at this point that probably made him want to get away from them.

[Eurell]

You're assuming the cops would listen to reason which when it comes to blacks/hispanics they're known to ignore. I think we both agree running was a bad idea.

Not saying all cops are bad but when you're black its 'guilty until proven innocent' and proving innocence (like whipping out a cellphone to call mgmt) can be construed as reaching for a gun.

The fact that people have to keep bringing up a 13 year old case should show that this is not what happens the majority of the time.

Again, I'm not doubting that a fuckton of cops are assholes and racists. But only focusing on some cases and ignoring the many more out there of, guy breaks law, cop arrests him, no incident that will make big headlines... just seems, idk, ignorant to me.

[jmc]

The qualification to drive a police car is the same as to drive an ambulance.

Probably depends on states/cities/departments.

When I was a emt, it was a 3 day driving course. When I was in the academy, it was 1 month of driving courses.

[Siatdiat]

Probably depends on states/cities/departments.

When I was a emt, it was a 3 day driving course. When I was in the academy, it was 1 month of driving courses.

I didn't really think of that but it makes sense. In the military I had to do a two week driving course followed by a circuit course and some other exercises where you had to drive like 60 miles through some cones without hitting any. The course actually wasn't all that difficult, but the class was pretty exhaustive and you learn a lot of weird shit about driving you would never really think of outside of maybe being a race car driver. The rescue folks on base had to take the same course.

[Gadritan]

To elaborate, when I was in high school, I knew a kid who was guilty of being black and driving too nice a car. He was driving his uncles car who was visiting from New York and they stopped him for some weak ass PC on the highway. They ended up detaining him for hours, and had a canine unit roll out to sniff his car, then ended up disassembling parts of the car right there on the side of the road. In the end they let him go home, but his parents and uncle showed up by then. Shit like this is why black people run from the police. Seeing now that he was 27, I think he had enough personal experience at this point that probably made him want to get away from them.

Neat story. Same thing happened to me, got pulled and actually ticketed for 38 in a 35 at the time. Refused to allow them to search because there was no probable cause (Edit: to clarify, I always exercise this right as it is our right to refuse since being searched without cause is an invasion of our privacy, and I say always because I get asked to search nearly every time I'm pulled due to my vehicles and appearances). He said he smelled marijuana, which he couldn't have since I hadn't ever even smoked in that car. I was detained until the k-9 unit got their. Had to watch them rip my shit up being OH SO SURE that I had 50 kilos hiding in my center console. They didn't find shit and just left me there with my car all fucked up like nothing happened.

You want to know the best part? I'm not black. It was just the car itself that drew the attention.

When something like this happens and you immediately think it's because of race, YOU are the fucking racist.

[Siatdiat]

I did mention earlier I think that sometimes shit like this happens based off age rather than race. Beyond that, I think the statistics speak for themselves. Comparing two incidents as if that is the only data is kind of silly.