New or Returning Players Discussion 2: SoA Homeless Veterans Edition

[Karbuncle]

You know now that I think about it, its probably significantly easier to just get 250 Marrows than it would be to get 10,000 Plutons... I mean, BST rips ADL a new asshole, and the Grasshoper with his AoE does like 25k+ and maybe double that if your gear is good.... ADL can still death you like a cheap bitch but... I mean, its much easier to farm pops these days and kill ADL, chance of two per fight... can probably do 2-3 pops on a good run..

[TummieGaruda]

Yeah it does seem a bit more practical depending on how long it takes to farm up pops and pop/kill ADL. I would've gone that route had my relic not been 119'd for a year now. I just wished that SE would've added more ways to obtain P/B/R's instead of forcing people to do high tier battlefields for boxes and what not, especially when the server populations keep dwindling (usually only 300 people on Lakshmi in the evenings, mostly JP players). The current RoE system supports obtaining P/B/R's but only through copper vouchers and you still need 2 of them just to get 1 item. Maybe in the future SE will add them as regular drops to other content (Plutons from Dynamis, Bietsu from Salvage, Riftborn Boulders from Abyssea) when the supply begins to dwindle down, but seeing how they handled HMP's, I doubt this would happen. For now it just seems that the best way is just to farm up gil if the High Tier Battlefield option is not available.

[dasva]

You know now that I think about it, its probably significantly easier to just get 250 Marrows than it would be to get 10,000 Plutons... I mean, BST rips ADL a new asshole, and the Grasshoper with his AoE does like 25k+ and maybe double that if your gear is good.... ADL can still death you like a cheap bitch but... I mean, its much easier to farm pops these days and kill ADL, chance of two per fight... can probably do 2-3 pops on a good run..

Cricket is good for it but naw you aint gunna do 50k AoE lol. Capped pdif (which not sure you'd be getting without some def down) 3k tp is around 30k. Still might be a good alternative when the campaign is over depending on how fast you can do the cycle. Campaign gives lots of drops (actually managed to get 3 boxes on 1 character for personal pool in 1 fight) now though and doing most on Difficult is an easy and fast fight to solo or low man... just gotta find one without a ton of people on it.

[Karbuncle]

Cricket is good for it but naw you aint gunna do 50k AoE lol. Capped pdif (which not sure you'd be getting without some def down) 3k tp is around 30k. Still might be a good alternative when the campaign is over depending on how fast you can do the cycle. Campaign gives lots of drops (actually managed to get 3 boxes on 1 character for personal pool in 1 fight) now though and doing most on Difficult is an easy and fast fight to solo or low man... just gotta find one without a ton of people on it.

All I remember is I did 22k and my BST usually does ~half of good BSTs , i'm ignorant of the pDIF stuff so I took a guess! Fair nuff.

I see ADL like another step in Empyrean. You need 250 and he can drop up to 2, you'll do it 125~250 times (though 200 is more realistic).. farm pops, kill, rinse, repeat.

[Mojo]

BLM can kill ADL in a single bursted Death, so there's that.

[Fhqwghads]

WTF... 30k? And here I thought doing skillchains of over 10k on my SAM was bretty good. No wonder people don't shout for any melee in CP parties.

Anyway, I've settled in nicely again. Been doing everything solo, which is just so bizarre. It's surreal to go into Xarc and solo DL, and all the Nightmare Dynamis zones. I was getting my ass kicked by one of the RoV missions where you have to fight Balanor, but I finally beat his face in yesterday. Felt good to finally win that one. Now I have to try and beat Behind the Sluices for SoA - again. That fight is tough for me. ALMOST won yesterday, got down to just the Mistdagger mob, but for whatever reason I didn't get a heal from either Jaochim or Apururu, and died because I only had ~300HP. Sucked ass. Next time I'm bringing a megalixir or something. Since I advanced RoV and got Selh'teus that might help a bit too. Still have SO MUCH more content to try! Been doing a shit-ton of Dynamis, and have my eye on Amanomurakumo (and then all the upgrade fun after that.) I have yet to do a lot of the stuff in SoA and RoV. No delve, no Reisnenjama, etc. I'm still a bit overwhelmed with all the various things to do in the game, but SE has really done a great job in almost every way with the changes they've made. I do miss the forced grouping for XP and merits sometimes, but secretly I'm still extremely happy with the way things are now.

[vivbiibasjiu]

All I remember is I did 22k and my BST usually does ~half of good BSTs , i'm ignorant of the pDIF stuff so I took a guess! Fair nuff.

I see ADL like another step in Empyrean. You need 250 and he can drop up to 2, you'll do it 125~250 times (though 200 is more realistic).. farm pops, kill, rinse, repeat.

Unless you have a THF 250 is likely more realistic, I've soloed ADL countless times and never seen a double drop, it's exceedingly rare, you can't really bank on the double drops to lessen your grinding unless you have a dedicated THF and/or are very lucky

[Jem]

Unless you have a THF 250 is likely more realistic, I've soloed ADL countless times and never seen a double drop, it's exceedingly rare, you can't really bank on the double drops to lessen your grinding unless you have a dedicated THF and/or are very lucky

According to FFXIDB

~5% chance of a double drop with no TH
~13% with TH3+

Which is way lower than I expected, we must have got super lucky when we farmed it back in the day because I guarantee our rate was significantly higher than that.

But yeah going to be closer to 250 than 200. Really you'd want some sort of help even if it's a mule because otherwise popsets become absolute ballache and you'd add so much extra time running back and forth between ???'s (unless they changed the RA tag on them since I quit and came back).

Also is there not a trust that has TH? Granted it's a tricky proposition guaranteeing it on him with the splitting. I can't remember if TH carries over from the first ADL to the split ADL's.

[Sechs]

Many trusts have th but while it hasn't been measured it's believed to be th3, I.e. The base amount you get from traits

[vivbiibasjiu]

Many trusts have th but while it hasn't been measured it's believed to be th3, I.e. The base amount you get from traits

Pretty sure it's only TH1

[Sechs]

I seem to recall someone testing on FFXI AH but I might be wrong here.
Would be easy to test though. Well not so easy because it would be very annoying, but possible for sure.
Go to abyssea, get a THF trust out and get a TH atma.
Then get a naked THF without that atma try to proc a TH level up on the same target.

If trust has TH3 base, their total amount would be TH4 thanks to the Atma, hence the first upgrade of the Thief would be TH5.
If trust have TH1 (hence TH2 total with Atma) the first upgrade you'd see would be TH4 (since THF even naked would stand at TH3)


Going by logic I think it's quite likely to expect them to have TH3.
So far, aside from exceptions here and there, all trusts have the native traits of their respective jobs and also their abilities. Sometimes they even have special effects granted by the equipment they wear.
Add that TH3 wouldn't be anything broken (anybody can reach TH3 with /THF and chaac Belt, some jobs can even reach TH4 which is the cap for non THF jobs) and the final picture is that I don't see why SE should make it an exception for trusts to have less than TH1.

If you're thinking about the BST nerf from TH3 to TH1, well, it's a very different game from those days.

[Fwahm]

THF trusts only have TH1.

[dasva]

If you're thinking about the BST nerf from TH3 to TH1, well, it's a very different game from those days.

They've still yet to undo it or give the promised pet th gear... so I'd say they still want max th1 unless you thf or /thf

[Sechs]

Not saying you're wrong, but the way I see it that's more of the fruit of a different period in time where TH had a different relevance and BST was in a different position.
The game meta changed a lot and I don't really think they care that much for TH these days (a BRD or DNC can reach TH3 without /THF for instance).
They didn't undo that choice because... why should they? People hasn't been whining about it for a while and they likely have different priorities atm.
Or in other words: they couldn't care less especially because there is no pressure for it atm.

Just my view on things, again I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong.

[dasva]

Psh bst forum still brings it up now and then. But at this point they are pretty much beaten down completely as is

[Pikagreg]

Howdy! My bro just came back and he just started Adoulin stuff. He is currently stuck on "Life on the Frontier" The wiki says it takes a minimum 20 days of imprimaturs to complete this. I was passed this mission when I came back and don't remember this part very well. Have they eased up this mission at all or is he stuck doing coalitions everyday for a month to progress to the next mission?

[Fwahm]

20 imprimaturs is 5 days, not a month.

[Pikagreg]

20 imprimaturs is 5 days, not a month.

Wasn't it 20 coalition assignments with 3x imprimaturs each? Or does he need to do normal quests to raise his fame as well?

[Fhqwghads]

Wasn't it 20 coalition assignments with 3x imprimaturs each? Or does he need to do normal quests to raise his fame as well?

I got passed it way faster than that by doing quests on top of assignments. Maybe 2 days? I did a lot of quests though, like literally cracked open the Wiki page on Adoulin quests and went down them 1 by 1.

[dasva]

Also with the way they are stored you don't have to do everyday. Hell even starting out you can store decently over 20