New or Returning Players Discussion 2: SoA Homeless Veterans Edition

[Byrthnoth]

Eh, 40 hours used to be like 100 merits in decent ToAU parties, which was about as many merits as it took to cap out one skill category and T1/2 merits for the job. Perhaps they need to make job master even easier to get, but it's not *that* hard right now considering you can solo it in 40 hours on many jobs.

[Raelia]

Eh, 40 hours used to be like 100 merits in decent ToAU parties, which was about as many merits as it took to cap out one skill category and T1/2 merits for the job. Perhaps they need to make job master even easier to get, but it's not *that* hard right now considering you can solo it in 40 hours on many jobs.

Except you could merit on whatever job and spend them on any job so you'd at least make progress on jobs that didn't fit in merit parties, plus MJSP was actually fun and we'd bullshit the whole time and poke fun at the cookie cutter DRGs fighting over bird camp.

I hated meriting, but I loved merit parties. Solo grinding JP leaves me with just the former aspect. Getting fucked for accuracy bonus gifts on DRK doesn't help, hence wait-and-see on 2-hander update 2.0, and the game is still falling into a seeming hole of GEO, BLM, BLU or GTFO because scaling HP has taken over as the norm.

[arus2001]

I'll just agree the way we gain JP sucks, especially if you're not decked out in Reisen/cursed gear. But I also didn't like old school meriting, either, in part because camps were limited alongside the usual job discrimination.

[Raelia]

Job discrimination was a Greater Colibri thing. MJSP is where the clever people, who could actually math, went. RDM or WHM didn't matter, as long as you had heals/haste and a COR you'd break 20k/hr. BRD was nice to have and pushed it over 30k. Fastest was DRK DRK WAR BRD COR WHM at 38k/hr but that was leaning into killing wyverns and long pulls from the other mamool group.

Colibri was faster in theory, but that involved pulling all three levels.

[Byrthnoth]

Totally irrelevant, but Colibri were never theoretically fastest. They were just really easy compared to MMJSP and gave somewhat comparable xp/hr.

I don't really mind job points. My melee jobs are fun to play and it was kind of fun figuring out how to optimize my bard's damage output. The least fun I had was doing PLD, but Gain EXP parties got it done eventually.

[Rooney]

I remember cracking 30k at colibri, but that involved a brd and a cor literally pulling anything in sight including the wivres on the bottom level.

[Byrthnoth]

Yeah, >30k was possible in the middle camp with multiple aggressive pullers and melee who soloed birds. MMJSP was better with a great party, but it was more mentally taxing and harder on support. The TP moves were much more dangerous at MMJSP (Dispelling Wind, Fire Spit, MMJ THF evasion boost, etc. vs. food steal, pecking flurry, and Wivre Berserk)

[Draylo]

Well nothing is stopping you from creating a party on a melee job, you just have to be able to self skillchain for the MB's or it will be slower than usual.

[Raelia]

[Ezekial]

Yeah, >30k was possible in the middle camp with multiple aggressive pullers and melee who soloed birds. MMJSP was better with a great party, but it was more mentally taxing and harder on support. The TP moves were much more dangerous at MMJSP (Dispelling Wind, Fire Spit, MMJ THF evasion boost, etc. vs. food steal, pecking flurry, and Wivre Berserk)

I broke 40k many times in the middle camp, but to be fair, I used to be able to solo a colibri on my COR and we would run with a kraken club RNG and multiple relics. I was completely brain dead as well, and we'd normally just party and hang out in voice chat (usually insulting the other groups around us as we stole 50% of their mobs) I kinda miss those days.

[Mythe_Seraph]

i remember getting close to if not over 50k//hr at colibri camp with multi relic parties as well. We'd go at odd hours and the place was vacated. Double brd for pulling duties as well. Never was able to replicate that at MMJSP.

[Ezekial]

So I caved and logged back in today... It's been 4 years since I last played. No macros, no spellcast, no inventory space... I think Its gonna take a month to move out of my moghouse

[CDF]

Spellcast doesn't seem to work anymore so you would have to either switch to Ashitacast with Ashita or use Gearswap with Windower

[Guitarman]

What are these "page 354 of the book is lighting up" (or something close to that) messages popping up all of a sudden mean?

[Gokulo]

Queue system for Ambuscade

[Spicyryan]

The returning to vanadiel guide is done and at the top of the wiki now. Everyone is welcome to amend or add anything.

[Silenka]

In lieu of a random question thread:

Chocobo digging is pretty confusing. The info about it on otherwiki is all out of date (and nonexistent on bg-wiki) and old posts I found make it sound like what is on the wiki is inaccurate as well. I'm currently raising a digging chocobo which I plan to give Treasure Finder (thanks to the new changes) but I'm not sure if I should give it bore or burrow - the info I've found on ffxiah indicates that Bore and Burrow now give an extra chance at getting an item per dig (so if you have Bore and Burrow you can potentially dig up 3 things per dig, or 2 per dig if you only have one ability) but the extra loot pools that Bore and Burrow offer are not worth potentially losing out on a "regular" zone item such as heavy metal plate. Since no one knows currently if anything good has been added to the bore/burrow loot pools I'm kind of at a loss for what I should do there.

Also, there seems to be a disconnect between bird level of digging and master level of digging? I had thought that your character's Dig craft level was the only "level" that influenced your chocobo's digging skill, but I see people talking about A10 and A55 chocobos like the "level" belongs to the (raised) chocobo and not the rider.

Right now I'm just using rental birds and trying to level my character's digging skill, but even on a full moon my dig rates are abhorrent. Are there any tips for leveling it?

[Rooney]

A10/20/30 or w/e refers to wait time from when you zone to when you'll be able to dig. Unless they decide to display your digging level in the menu at some point, this is the only way to know when you hit a new level (there's also a wait time between digs, but that caps long before the zone timer does). As for leveling, it's best to go to a deserted zone and dig there. You need successful digs to level up, which isn't going to happen if there's multiple people digging. I know they made adjustments to it, but back in the day a zone could only support 1-2 higher level diggers before the items would run out.

[Silenka]

I think they removed the zone cap with the latest update, though. The personal endurance cap is enough, I suppose, and the playerbase isn't very large anymore. I don't think I've even seen a single person digging on my server, either, so there shouldn't be an issue with items I'm able to dig up - every zone is deserted, lol

It sounds like they are going to implement an NPC that shows your digging skill level, but what's throwing me off is that posts on ffxiah makes it seem like the zone wait is tied to the chocobo and not the rider's skill. But I don't understand why that would be. Unless they are just using alts who all have different digging skill, I guess that's possible...

[Rooney]

The wait time should be specific to character, unless they did something to make personal chocobos special. afaik the only difference between rental/personal birds should be abilities affecting the loot pool.