New or Returning Players Discussion 2: SoA Homeless Veterans Edition

[BerenTebogo]

If you are on Quetz hit me up for adventure time stuff, my LS mostly just there for socializing. I find myself doing dailies and putzing around but not really doing much.

I went back to Fenrir when I resubbed

[Sechs]

The Plasm items are expensive too, and even the AF ones honestly aside from Maliyakaleya.
Sif's Macrame is like 300k on my server.
You probably don't have in mind what kind of players we're talking about here.
It's players who:

1) Haven't played in over 3+ years
2) Stopped at level 80ish or such
3) Have a single job (well, one of them has a couple tbf, no surprise he's a decentish player)
4) Have a single subjob
5) Never did any end game in any form, ever, despite starting playing in 2003 or 2004 or whatever it was (exception: we did some Sky Gods stuff in 2005, those Kirin kills with 30+ people in several hours lol)
6) Don't use Windower or any sort of addon or third party tool
7) Have the habit of using a single set for everything, with maybe a couple of swaps for WS if they really feel like it
8) Refuse to play with anybody they don't know (atm it's only me and I've been working my ass to PL them these past weeks)


These guys cant' raise 100k, atm they're 95 waiting for one fo them to get there and do Genkai 10 all together. How do you expect them to get 8 tales at 15k sparks each? Or the gil to buy those expensive mats?
I could see it happening for 1 or 2 pieces maybe lol, but that's it.

[FNH]

The Plasm items are expensive too, and even the AF ones honestly aside from Maliyakaleya.
Sif's Macrame is like 300k on my server.
You probably don't have in mind what kind of players we're talking about here.
It's players who:

1) Haven't played in over 3+ years
2) Stopped at level 80ish or such
3) Have a single job (well, one of them has a couple tbf, no surprise he's a decentish player)
4) Have a single subjob
5) Never did any end game in any form, ever, despite starting playing in 2003 or 2004 or whatever it was (exception: we did some Sky Gods stuff in 2005, those Kirin kills with 30+ people in several hours lol)
6) Don't use Windower or any sort of addon or third party tool
7) Have the habit of using a single set for everything, with maybe a couple of swaps for WS if they really feel like it
8) Refuse to play with anybody they don't know (atm it's only me and I've been working my ass to PL them these past weeks)


These guys cant' raise 100k, atm they're 95 waiting for one fo them to get there and do Genkai 10 all together. How do you expect them to get 8 tales at 15k sparks each? Or the gil to buy those expensive mats?
I could see it happening for 1 or 2 pieces maybe lol, but that's it.

If 300k is too hard then I don't know what to say. With sparks and login campaigns and shout groups and all the other stuff available all I can say is lol.

[Anoat]

The Plasm items are expensive too, and even the AF ones honestly aside from Maliyakaleya.
Sif's Macrame is like 300k on my server.
You probably don't have in mind what kind of players we're talking about here.
It's players who:

1) Haven't played in over 3+ years
2) Stopped at level 80ish or such
3) Have a single job (well, one of them has a couple tbf, no surprise he's a decentish player)
4) Have a single subjob
5) Never did any end game in any form, ever, despite starting playing in 2003 or 2004 or whatever it was (exception: we did some Sky Gods stuff in 2005, those Kirin kills with 30+ people in several hours lol)
6) Don't use Windower or any sort of addon or third party tool
7) Have the habit of using a single set for everything, with maybe a couple of swaps for WS if they really feel like it
8) Refuse to play with anybody they don't know (atm it's only me and I've been working my ass to PL them these past weeks)


These guys cant' raise 100k, atm they're 95 waiting for one fo them to get there and do Genkai 10 all together. How do you expect them to get 8 tales at 15k sparks each? Or the gil to buy those expensive mats?
I could see it happening for 1 or 2 pieces maybe lol, but that's it.

Yeah...I am gonna recommend YouTube if they are interested in the story. These guys, while I recognize are your friends, sound pretty hopeless.

[Sechs]

From the perspective of players like us, they are completely hopeless, I agree. (they used Sparks for gear, lots of books, some very very little gil etc. Login points for the Mog Safe expansion I think and some trusts).
But they're RL friends, they don't want to "play" the game. They resubbed only so they could do Adoulin and Rhapsodies of Vana'diel with me, to remember the "old days" (we used to do all missions together since Rank1 'til WotG ending).
One of them actually had to restart from zero.

So I'm gonna have to do a lot of missions with a WHM (which frankly is a decentish player, I'm not worried) a DRK who restarted and a PLD with no gear.
Which honestly is the one worrying me because, let's be honest, game is obviously more demanding with tanks for stuff like this. If he had any other DD job I could've tanked all stuff easily while instead we'll have to rely on him and despite me being a pretty awesome buffer (RME bard etc) I'm afraid it might not be enough for the last SoA missions (Dhokmakk, Hades v1 and v2 etc)

You may find it strange but despite basically doing everything alone and PLing them etc, I'm kinda having fun at the thought of "challenging" myself with stuff like this lol

[Hitou]

Sorry to say but your PLD only friend is useless if he can't be assed to get real gear for the job. Just tell him to skill up GS and pretend to be a DD. Sparks crap isn't gonna cut it and you're better off just tanking with a melee job. 109 AF/Relic/AF3 really isn't that hard to get and will outperform sparks gear despite it being 117. Obviously you can start with sparks gear but you'll have a hard time tanking any of the adoulin missions fights with it.

[Sechs]

You're thinking 109 AF/Relic would outperform 117 Sparks set with the lolPDT10% set? There's clearly a plethora of useful stuff on 109 AF/Relic but also quite a big difference in DEF, Vit, Eva and MDB. Not sure how this would matter, considering I don't really have to bring him to difficult content, just SoA missions (the last BCs could be a challenge, I think)
I could easily get him a plethora of rem tales 1-5, given how I can solo those BCs and have plenty of seals to offer them.

I could also probably let him get at least a couple of 119 reforged AF. He might make it to farm the gil for a couple of pieces and I could help him in that regard.
Main problem would be finding a BC to farm 119 tales that can be basically "duoed" by me and WHM. Given how I have a pretty nice RUN, I could probably let him leech some Normal Avatar fights?
Can't think of anything easier to duo atm.

[Lujei]

Most of the 119 Tales BCNMs can be duo'd on Easy or VE. Gessho is an extremely, extremely easy duo on VE and I could even see soloing it on some jobs. Just sleep the adds when he splits. I've done Oreo more than a few times (DNC/COR or DNC/BLU duo). With a RUN the Mamool will be easy, too, since RUN neutralizes his only really dangerous attack.

[BerenTebogo]

You're thinking 109 AF/Relic would outperform 117 Sparks set with the lolPDT10% set? There's clearly a plethora of useful stuff on 109 AF/Relic but also quite a big difference in DEF, Vit, Eva and MDB. Not sure how this would matter, considering I don't really have to bring him to difficult content, just SoA missions (the last BCs could be a challenge, I think)
I could easily get him a plethora of rem tales 1-5, given how I can solo those BCs and have plenty of seals to offer them.

I could also probably let him get at least a couple of 119 reforged AF. He might make it to farm the gil for a couple of pieces and I could help him in that regard.
Main problem would be finding a BC to farm 119 tales that can be basically "duoed" by me and WHM. Given how I have a pretty nice RUN, I could probably let him leech some Normal Avatar fights?
Can't think of anything easier to duo atm.

If you have BST you can solo Shiva / AA MR/GK on N with little difficulty. On E with zero difficulty.

WHM + RUN should be able to do every 119 fight for avatar / AA on E.

Edit: This is from someone who came back to the game about 10 days ago with no ilvl gear at that point. If it's easy for just imagine if you have good gear and useful RME (ripgugnir).

[Sechs]

WHM + RUN should be able to do every 119 fight for avatar / AA on E.

I soloed all of them on VE and I won some on E (granted it was pretty close).
With a WHM I'm confident I can win Normal if I use the height trick. Well in theory at least. My concern with that would be timing out maybe.

I had a pretty cool BST but retired it because of too many jobs, alas.
I'll check more into things I can solo for them though, it would really help if I could manage to let them get at least a couple of 119 reforged AFs. Thanks for the motivational boost

[Byrthnoth]

I am pretty sure they fixed the height trick when people were abusing it to solo Ironclads?

Also, I think I soloed a lot of E fights on DNC.

[Sechs]

Height trick still worked perfectly at least 2 days ago. Dunno what happened meanwhile but I assume nothing?
Need a very specific position and don't have a lot of space for movement or it will stop working/tank will go out of range from healer and support

[DirtyWattz]

Hello! Back after a 3 year break from the game after hearing it may "die" and I'm SUPER lost. I got a shit ton of questions in mind about relearning the game. The old friends that I used to play with have moved servers or quit, so they can no longer carry me So... I think I'mma use BG forums as a resource to get back on my feet!

Am i blind? Where's the place to ask random/noob questions now on BG?

...

Until I know the place to go for random questions; here have some warm up questions ;P


Does Empyrean Armor +2 set bonus work with the reforge?


When can I start to join CP parties as a DD? What amount of Dex, Acc, Attack, Str etc?


Thanks!

[Egon]

I've been goofing off with a new char. Is the BG wiki up to date? A lot of the stuff i try to google is old/out of date info. There seems like there is so much more in the game now that I am missing or fail to understand. I've just got done with unlocking Rank 6 so I can start Zilart and I'm on Chapter 3 in CoP.

[Striker]

On Bahamut I just created a linkshell named LevelDownLOL for anyone who came back or even just started. Here is my post from FFXIAH.
LevelDownLOL is a safe haven for any new players to the game. I am a returning player who just came back after 2 years as I am teaching my girlfriend how to play. We are currently Rank 5 level 68 COR/RNG, and are focused on leveling up and working through quests/missions. Any new, or returning players on a new character, see a linkshell recruiter in any nation for a linkpearl. You are all welcome in LevelDownLOL!

[Zetanio]

Finished CoP

[Veikuri]

Does anyone remember what has changed in terms of merits for lv 75 content? I'm going to gear up my lv 75 RDM to do solo NMs etc. Was 8/8 Enfeebling and Elemental Magic allowed on one character? Also stats went up to only +5 merits right? Do you guys think ToAU gear is fair game or should I exclude that gear?

[Maurauc]

Does anyone remember what has changed in terms of merits for lv 75 content? I'm going to gear up my lv 75 RDM to do solo NMs etc. Was 8/8 Enfeebling and Elemental Magic allowed on one character? Also stats went up to only +5 merits right? Do you guys think ToAU gear is fair game or should I exclude that gear?

Merits have changed a lot for stats and skills. I believe you can have 48 upgrades in combat, and in magic skills (8 max in one category), and 45 in stats (15 in one category).
Only a couple of pieces are still used from ToAU, and they're mostly from Salvage II and Neo-Nyzul Isle.
Oh, and Mythic weapons.

Oops, sorry, didn't get it! see below.

[Lonoha]

Only a couple of pieces are still used from ToAU, and they're mostly from Salvage II and Neo-Nyzul Isle.

His whole thing is to do it like it was done back in the good old days though, so what matters is whether they were used back then more than whether they are now.

Fwiw, I *think* at the height of the RDM soloin craze, ToAU either hadn't come out, or not for long enough for people to really depend on salvage gear and whatnot? So I'd say go full-on pre-ToAU and ignore these gears, but idk really.

When you get round to it, please do post your vids if you make any!

Also to add to what Maurac said, I'm pretty sure job specific merits haven't been touched much?

[BerenTebogo]

His whole thing is to do it like it was done back in the good old days though, so what matters is whether they were used back then more than whether they are now.

Fwiw, I *think* at the height of the RDM soloin craze, ToAU either hadn't come out, or not for long enough for people to really depend on salvage gear and whatnot? So I'd say go full-on pre-ToAU and ignore these gears, but idk really.

When you get round to it, please do post your vids if you make any!

Also to add to what Maurac said, I'm pretty sure job specific merits haven't been touched much?

People used Salvage gear for RDM soloing.

It was Morrigans that pretty much let RDM nuke for > shit damage, and was the first refresh body piece iirc and that helped enormously. This was back when people still popped yag drinks and stuff for RDM solos.