Alabama pastor holds ‘whites only’ conference

[hey]

It is across the board. Even adopted black kids by white parents have an average IQ in the low 80's. While white people have an average of 100.

Which can still be explained in a million different ways.

[Milkster]

What's the difference between "I can't/won't date you because you're white/black/asian/hispanic/etc" and "I won't/can't associate with you because you're white/black/asian/hispanic/etc"?

[hey]

What's the difference between "I can't/won't date you because you're white/black/asian/hispanic/etc" and "I won't/can't associate with you because you're white/black/asian/hispanic/etc"?

The latter is more extreme racism.

[Milkster]

If they don't date X race because they don't find X race's physical characteristics attractive, that's not racist, it's just very shallow (not at all willing to look past their personal preferences for physical attractiveness regardless of what a person is really like).

If they don't date X race because they attribute negative character qualities, tendencies, or inferiorities with that race, then that would be racist.

Aren't the two almost synonymous? People won't date a certain race with certain physical features because of the (negative) things associated with those features?

[Milkster]

The latter is more extreme racism.

So, you're saying they're both racist people if they have these beliefs then?

[hey]

So, you're saying they're both racist people if they have these beliefs then?

Yes, obviously.

[Byrthnoth]

What's the difference between "I can't/won't date you because you're white/black/asian/hispanic/etc" and "I won't/can't associate with you because you're white/black/asian/hispanic/etc"?

Penises are fickle creatures, and that's the difference. It would actually be more like this:
1) I can't/won't date you because you aren't attractive to me.
2) You aren't attractive to me because I like like secondary sexual characteristics that you do not have.
3) You do not have these secondary sexual characteristics because your race is not predisposed to them. (boobs on an asian, etc.)
4) Some members of your race may possess the features that I like, but most do not. The members of your race that have the equipment I'm looking for are still on my list.
5) In general, though, it's safe to say that I don't like members of your race "like that."

You're drawing the line between sexual discrimination and racism. I'd draw another line between sexual discrimination and sexual preference. If you can't control what you like then you can't control what you like.

[Milkster]

Penises are fickle creatures, and that's the difference. It would actually be more like this:
1) I can't/won't date you because you aren't attractive to me.
2) You aren't attractive to me because I like like secondary sexual characteristics that you do not have.
3) You do not have these secondary sexual characteristics because your race is not predisposed to them. (boobs on an asian, etc.)
4) Some members of your race may possess the features that I like, but most do not. The members of your race that have the equipment I'm looking for are still on my list.
5) In general, though, it's safe to say that I don't like members of your race "like that."

You're drawing the line between sexual discrimination and racism. I'd draw another line between sexual discrimination and sexual preference. If you can't control what you like then you can't control what you like.

Again, what's the difference between one of these people who is attending this conference with this thinking and someone who thinks like this in the rest of the world? It's not racist because it comes to sex and "the penis is a fickle creature", would that mean all women find everyone in the world attractive regardless of race?

[hey]

Again, what's the difference between one of these people who is attending this conference with this thinking and someone who thinks like this in the rest of the world?

We have more information to base our conclusions on for the people attending this conference. That's the only difference. If the only thing you know about a person is that they have the same thought process as described by byrthnoth, then then based on the information provided, the only conclusion that can be reached is that there is no evidence of racism. That doesn't mean they aren't racist; they might be. But we have no evidence of it, based solely on what physical features they find attractive.

[Milkster]

So, as long as someone is ambiguous about why they don't date certain races, it's not racism, it's just a preference?

[hey]

So, as long as someone is ambiguous about why they don't date certain races, it's not racism, it's just a preference?

No, but you have no way of knowing if it's racism.

[Byrthnoth]

It's not racist because it comes to sex and "the penis is a fickle creature", would that mean all women find everyone in the world attractive regardless of race?

No, actually females are less willing to look outside their own race than males (via the Ask.com statistics that were released a while back, I think). I just said penis because this board is like 80-90% male and the imagery was more vivid, in that the problem is a little more dramatic if you literally can't get it up for some chick because you don't find her physically attractive.

It would be like a heterosexual trying to have sex with a gay guy that's interested in you just because you're a nice and openminded person. Being openminded and nice only goes so far. It doesn't make you gay.

[Dimmauk]

Is test123 black?

[Milkster]

No, actually females are less willing to look outside their own race than males (via the Ask.com statistics that were released a while back, I think). I just said penis because this board is like 80-90% male and the imagery was more vivid, in that the problem is a little more dramatic if you literally can't get it up for some chick because you don't find her physically attractive.

Are you not finding her physically attractive because she isn't or because of her race. That's what I'm getting at.

[Byrthnoth]

No? I don't think anyone is sexually attracted to a label. ...but if you tits are your thing and go to China, the foreigner district would be your oasis in the desert.

[ronin sparthos]

In short, preference =/= racism though preference can be informed by racist ideology.

You can easily find men or women of your own race sexually less than ideal but would that be considered racist?

[hey]

You can easily find men or women of your own race sexually less than ideal but would that be considered racist?

No more than if you think the same of another race.

[Correction]

Oh, ok, so rather than it being a choice between test the paultard being a troll or an oblivious fool, it's come down to test being a troll or a racist.

Why can't he be both? Like Churchill? Maybe test123 is Burrows's alt account!

[Lucavi]

So its not racist to dislike like those nigga features like thick lips, high cheekbones, big, squashed noses and nappy hair?

Awesome.

[test123]

Why can't he be both? Like Churchill? Maybe test123 is Burrows's alt account!

I'm not anyones "alt account". I'm raising legit questions and arugments in a thread where people take turn jabbing at "racist white folks".