Mexicants (immigration)

[Mugekuge]

Thinking of Pablo Escobar times in the 80's, he even got to be in Congress, and took a while to find him hidden on his own city before he got killed. Somehow drug violence in Mexico reminds me of Colombia in the 80-90's

[Cichy]

I'm not Mexican but I am an immigrant and all I got to say is that the US immigration system is completely fucking retarded. I believe it's designed to keep Mexicans where they are and sustain this cheap labor.
It's so complicated and worthless that it's easier to just be illegal and a criminal in this country than to be a honest person that goes through legal channels.

[Jonny]

Thinking of Pablo Escobar times in the 80's, he even got to be in Congress, and took a while to find him hidden on his own city before he got killed. Somehow drug violence in Mexico reminds me of Colombia in the 80-90's

Same exact concept. First he rewards them for helping him and if they start talking to the Police they are threatened with death. That is why the bodies are put out in the street because they want to scare anyone who would talk to the police.

[Melena]

Would you be more accepting if the limitations on immigration were made realistic?

For example, while we have a tiny immigration quota, we operate all governmental functions based on the realistic inflow of immigrants (not just social services, but anything that considers population and population growth). Since the notion that we can keep out all illegal immigrants is imaginary, would you consider liberalizing quotas and streamlining the immigration process so that good/legal immigrants would be able to enter the country, and we could spend more time dealing with the problems that try to creep in?

I'm all for making it efficient. I've also agreed for amnesty for those who get accepted to college or join the military so long as they don't develop a criminal record. My issue is more of the oh we crossed and got in, give us citizenship now. I'd be more for if they pass a background check let them in for x amount of years through a green card, so they can begin the process of becoming a citizen. If they get arrested or fail to at least get the process going to become a citizen though, then ship em back.

[Jefe]

Nay, Mexicans no longer care to come here. Last numbers I checked from the DOJ/ICE had more Mexicans leaving the US actually. Other countries from Central and South America still made the pilgrimage tho. Iirc, Asia, specially Chinese immigrants, flocked over to the states. In July this year, the Mexican unemployment rate was around 4.9-5.0, just behind Japan, Korea, and Austria. They all have health care coverage and shit, they don't have to come over here for squat. The thing is that there's high demand in the fashion industry here in LA, you can walk around the Fashion District and there's shit ton of jobs. The problem is that there ain't no folks to do that shit because they left. If any of you niggas is lookin' for a job, come to one of the sweatshops here in the Fashion District.

[ringthree]

I'm all for making it efficient. I've also agreed for amnesty for those who get accepted to college or join the military so long as they don't develop a criminal record. My issue is more of the oh we crossed and got in, give us citizenship now. I'd be more for if they pass a background check let them in for x amount of years through a green card, so they can begin the process of becoming a citizen. If they get arrested or fail to at least get the process going to become a citizen though, then ship em back.

I know of no movement to grant citizenship to those that just get over the border. You are speaking as if there is some feeling of entitlement for those that cross illegally. That is just so much fantasy.

[Alvinho]

What states are you guys from? Virginia mandates the usage of E-verify for employment. It isn't on the employer if they use the system, only if they try to pay under the table.

I lived in FL from '94 until 2007, and my employers never used it. I used to get paid in checks, had all sorts of deductions, filed income tax, etc. etc., never had any trouble.

I always imagined that as long as the government was getting my tax money, they would just turn to the side and pretend I wasn't doing anything wrong, even if my social security card had "NOT VALID FOR EMPLOYMENT" plastered right under the number.

[Melena]

I know of no movement to grant citizenship to those that just get over the border. You are speaking as if there is some feeling of entitlement for those that cross illegally. That is just so much fantasy.

At least in the bay area which also loves to give away everything for free there is a lot of oh they are already here, give them citizenship now arguments. Again, my issue isn't with people coming here and actually making a push to try to get citizenship, my issue is with those who make zero effort, want all the entitlement programs that come with being a citizen, then cry when they don't get it. Hell now in California they made it so illegal immigrants can now qualify for financial aid for college. And that I don't think is right.

[Mugekuge]

Being honduran and living legally in Canada because the US makes it really difficult to immigrate there legally. For the record, I have been to the US many times and I have no trouble getting a 10 yr B1/B2 tourist visa (I've had two so far and have been told is unusual to have a 2nd 10yr visa) but I can tell you I've always had issue when flying in to the US (except one time which was when I was immigrating to Canada), there's always a hispanic thicked accent cuban-american/puertorrican bullying me (why are you making a line here? Can't you see the red light... ME: It was green when I arrived and I've been here on this line for over an hour; Is there a problem officer? Sir, if there was a problem you'd be handcuffed and trown into prison, would you like me to get you some handcuffs .... among other events that escape me). I once had an interview at an engineering firm in Houston, met with a handful of engineers and the interviewer and office manager loved me but a week later they told me they'd pass on me because of the paperwork required to get me to work there.

Now why did I immigrate? I worked for a Caterpillar dealer back home, had a nice job where I would travel some 30% of the time, medical insurance (this is not common down there), bonus at the end of year, company phone paid by them, etc. Now I work for a call center troubleshooting computer issues who don't understand that XP and Windows are the same thing (Asked one if he/she/it was using XP and replied he/she/it was using Windows) where I had to wait a year for getting insurance, have not taken any vacations in two years and my scheduled vacations are cancelled due to the call center closing and laying everyone off in November, my degree has no value over here and just because i tend to mix up the names of the letters "G" and "J" in French (similar to English except switched around) people immediately assume I know no French (despite carrying a conversation in French up till the point I have to spell either G or J for some reason) and unable to enjoy myself due to lack of job stability (albeit I can be without a job for a year with my current savings). I come from what is now the most dangerous city in the world that isn't in a war, having a nice life down there was not worth it because you don't know at what point you are going to die because some punk decided to rob you (and kill you) cause you have X (x being something ridiculous like a watch, a blackberry, a backpack, an iphone, a credit card, a car, a ring, or simply you smell good because of your perfume/cologne) or simple being at the wrong time at the wrong place (stray bullet or just a common shootdown). As you can see, it is rather obvious why I decided to leave, yet my life did not suddenly become better but it was worth it because I know I will eventually be able to help my folks down there instead of being a body in a box cause someone looked at me funny. This is the main reason why so many people want to immigrate to the US and now people do it illegally (everyday there's some poor illegal immigrant story in the newspaper I read online and no, I am not condoning illegal immigration before it goes into that) and you guys don't help either since your immigration legislation is nigh impossible to navigate/understand to the point lots of people simply decide to fuck it and risk their lives to cross Rio Grande.

I have a few friends that have moved over last few years to Canada, one is living in Vancouver and got a skilled visa not long ago, other moved to Quebec like 8 years ago (he just basically learned French and moved there, he is a gym trainer).

I have been in Toronto in the past and i really liked that city a lot, i have a bank account open there since like 15 years ago, i've been thinking to move there for a while with my wife and start a small business or something, but what stop us is the winter, we have never been in any country with snow and low temperatures, i don't think we can stand 0ºc or less degrees xD.

[Jefe]

Lol, they only give financial aid for school to those who:

1. Graduated high school.
2. lived here for x amount of years.
3. Certain age restrictions.
4. Clean Record

Never mind the fact their parents have paid taxes or actually give these kids a chance to become legit members of a fill-in-the-blank society. Then MAYBE, MAYBE they'll get a work permit lol.

[ringthree]

I lived in FL from '94 until 2007, and my employers never used it. I used to get paid in checks, had all sorts of deductions, filed income tax, etc. etc., never had any trouble.

I always imagined that as long as the government was getting my tax money, they would just turn to the side and pretend I wasn't doing anything wrong, even if my social security card had "NOT VALID FOR EMPLOYMENT" plastered right under the number.

I was incorrect, E-verify is only used for federal related employment (state, local included because they receive money from the federal government) in VA and FL. FL didn't start using it until 2011.

Private companies can use E-verify voluntarily.

[Rhinox]

At least in the bay area which also loves to give away everything for free there is a lot of oh they are already here, give them citizenship now arguments. Again, my issue isn't with people coming here and actually making a push to try to get citizenship, my issue is with those who make zero effort, want all the entitlement programs that come with being a citizen, then cry when they don't get it. Hell now in California they made it so illegal immigrants can now qualify for financial aid for college. And that I don't think is right.

The financial aid you're cryin about is
A specific fund of charitable donations made to a specific people. It's not your taxes relax