Violence Against the LGBT Community

[shepardG]

Did not know Niro was a trany, isn't that a good thing?

(on a side note I just smashed a big mouth billy bass with my boot, video soon...)

[Rhinox]

thats a hate crime

[Bregor]

Holy shit this thread blew up. Did a Texas cheerleader cry rape or something?

Y'all poopdeckers posting in a Rhinox thread.

[Tajin]

I feel insulted because I dont have the slightest clue about the meaning of cisnormative.
That and Rhinox p. much owned the thread at first post.

[Churchill]

is this real life?

Not sure if anyone got this

is this just fantasy

[Churchill]

When you make it a point to say cisnormative heterosexual in every post, I get the feeling that the OP is the one who is discriminating.

I knew going to bed that Rhinox would leave some gems and trash the OP but I didn't think it would be so easy - but I'm not even off page one and this person annoys me more than milkster

[drwaffles]

I think the OP is trolling. Anyone that stupid who has been posting on BG for four years would surely be banned or have achieved the status of "don't engage under any circumstances" by now.

[Bregor]

Not sure if anyone got this

is this just fantasy

See, I got David After Dentist "is this real life?" not Queen. I think you win though.

[Qalbert]

a queen reference would be in rather poor taste, given the OP

[archibaldcrane]

That's a hate crime.

[Bregor]

That's a hate crime.

All crimes are hate crimes. Except prostitution. That's a love crime.

[Abandon]

What's going on here? Someone called someone a Hetero male and, as a result, people got mad, from what i heard

[Abandon]

prostitution is not a crime. It's a way of life. Also pretty neat.

[Alvinho]

The OP kinda had a point, which was backed by:

Not by itself. The result of an action doesn't determine the degree to which the crime is heinous, which is why for example, when the schizophrenic son of a scientologist mother, after carving apart his mother's body with kitchen utensils, which was seen to be a result of his being denied psychiatric care and medication, was not convicted of murder. The motive of the perpetrator, and in particular, the degree to which he or she understands the gravity of the criminal act committed, determines the guilt. Mens Rea, and all that.

This isn't really up for argument. It's how all criminal justice, and most sensible ethical philosophy works.

Having put that up on the table, the argument for hate crime legislation is that it takes a special kind of moral bankruptcy to commit a hate crime, which at first glance seems reasonable, since there is a clear difference in motive (which determines guilt!). There's also a bunch of bleeding heart post-modernist social justice rhetoric which is easy to make fun of. But if you really want to bitch about hate crime laws, you have to account for the first premise.

Motive is kind of a big deal (I wouldn't call it "special treatment"), although I don't think anyone disagreed; at least not directly. (I read the whole thing).

What does the Blue Gartr community think about this? Are you as disgusted as I am?

Yes, but not for the same reasons.

Also, I had to google "cisnormative".

[Milkster]

Name dropping lol.

[Ksandra]

Did not know Niro was a trany, isn't that a good thing?

(on a side note I just smashed a big mouth billy bass with my boot, video soon...)

just to clarify, when we say niro we mean nirokun, not niiro. Don't want people getting confused. And niro is pretty fucking hot now.

[Milkster]

just to clarify, when we say niro we mean nirokun, not niiro. Don't want people getting confused. And niro is pretty fucking hot now.

And to clarify some more, tranny is pretty offensive to say.

[Aurara]

And to clarify some more, tranny is pretty offensive to say.

So would one instead say transgender then, if they did not want to be offensive?

[Celeste]

When you make it a point to say cisnormative heterosexual in every post, I get the feeling that the OP is the one who is discriminating.

I knew going to bed that Rhinox would leave some gems and trash the OP but I didn't think it would be so easy - but I'm not even off page one and this person annoys me more than milkster

So would one instead say transgender then, if they did not want to be offensive?

Transgender would work if you're informally referring to someone or trans people altogether. Also their name, online handle, properly gendered pronouns relating to what they identify with, trans person/woman/man, or they/it if you're talking to a genderqueer person who doesn't lean to either side of the gender binary. You could even refer to trans people as simply men or women, but maybe I'm being too radical with that suggestion!

[Aurara]

I have a gay friend who doesn't mind using the word tranny, in this case is it appropriate to be used simply because he is okay with it, but when not with him I don't say it at all?