Violence Against the LGBT Community

**Rhinox** · 2012-07-23 22:04

Originally Posted by hey

Well that's just silly. All crimes are not equal. And even if they were 2 crimes are clearly worse than 1.

Are people really trying to argue that x+y = x where y > 0? If murder is bad, and bigotry is bad, then murder and bigotry is clearly worse than just murder. It is absurd to claim that the motive for a crime doesn't matter, and that all crime is equal. By that logic, killing someone in self defense is just as bad as gunning down a random 5 year old just for the luls. This is a really terrible argument.

Ugh no.

Killing in self defense =! Murder.

Thanks for playing.

**Rhyis.** · 2012-07-23 22:07

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**hey** · 2012-07-23 22:09

Originally Posted by Rhinox

Ugh no.

Killing in self defense =! Murder.

Thanks for playing.

Right. Because the motive is different.

**Thunder** · 2012-07-23 22:13

Originally Posted by Rhinox

Ugh no.

Killing in self defense =! Murder.

Thanks for playing.

I think that was his point.

Hard to follow this thread between the trolling and blinding anger but I think hey's very simple x+y = x conundrum where y =/= 0 pretty much ends the discussion. X is harassment, killing, whatever where Y is bigotry. So, killing because someone's gay, lesbian, transsexual, or intersexed is worse than just killing someone. I.. don't think that's so hard to agree upon but I feel out of place for agreeing(I think?) with the person that's been flamed for over 18 pages

**Ksandra** · 2012-07-23 22:15

Originally Posted by Thunder

So, killing because someone's gay, lesbian, transsexual, or intersexed is worse than just killing someone.

killing someone because they're gay is the same as killing someone because they're white is more accurate.

as well we've talked about this before, killing out of hate should not be minority inclusive.

do you think what happened in colorado wasn't as severe because it was white straight people that were killed?

**Niiro** · 2012-07-23 22:19

...and killing someone because they're gay or white are both very different from killing someone because you want their TV.

Is the point everyone with an IQ above room temperature is trying to make.

**Thunder** · 2012-07-23 22:22

Well yeah, obviously the Y being bigotry doesn't need to be bigotry towards LGBT community, that's just the example I used but the main point is that killing + bigotry > just killing.

But yeah, I should have been inclusive of everything since my post could have been misinterpreted

This is just for clarification.. but the people killed in colorado were just killed, they were NOT killed BECAUSE they were white straight people. Afaik, anyway. If someone's harassed/killed/whatever because they're white then it's no more or less severe than a LGBT person being harassed/killed/whatever, but once you add the bigotry the crime is worse than without it.

**Rhinox** · 2012-07-23 22:25

Originally Posted by hey

Right. Because the motive is different.

Wrong. You're comparing apples to oranges.

Killing someone to prevent them from harming you is socially and ethically acceptable because its part of human fucking nature.

hi2u fight or flight.

**Seraph** · 2012-07-23 22:26

I feel like people are confusing motive with situation now, and also assuming that killing someone is murder.

**Rhinox** · 2012-07-23 22:28

Originally Posted by Thunder

Well yeah, obviously the Y being bigotry doesn't need to be bigotry towards LGBT community, that's just the example I used but the main point is that killing + bigotry > just killing.

But yeah, I should have been inclusive of everything since my post could have been misinterpreted

This is just for clarification.. but the people killed in colorado were just killed, they were NOT killed BECAUSE they were white straight people. Afaik, anyway. If someone's harassed/killed/whatever because they're white then it's no more or less severe than a LGBT person being harassed/killed/whatever, but once you add the bigotry the crime is worse than without it.

So... a Mass Murderer killing 12 people in a movie theatre isn't as outrageous as a mass murderer killing 12 gays in bar? you really want to be associated with that thought?

**Thunder** · 2012-07-23 22:30

No, they're the same crime* if the mass murderers didn't do it specifically because they were either all white straight males in the theater or all gays in the bar.

*on a magnitude scale of wrongness

**Ksandra** · 2012-07-23 22:31

Originally Posted by Thunder

This is just for clarification.. but the people killed in colorado were just killed, they were NOT killed BECAUSE they were white straight people. Afaik, anyway. If someone's harassed/killed/whatever because they're white then it's no more or less severe than a LGBT person being harassed/killed/whatever, but once you add the bigotry the crime is worse than without it.

yes but the op implied its always worse if it is a minority.

op was also asking how disgusted we were with this. honestly, emotionally if someone i knew was murdered i would be just as sad if they were murdered because they were gay as I would if they were murdered because someone wanted their wallet. That's the point. I wouldn't be more sad or outraged no matter the motive. OP was asking our thoughts, that's my thoughts anyway.

**Rhinox** · 2012-07-23 22:31

What's fuck up is no one is saying its less outrageous just that its just as outrageous.

I'm sorry some in the BG gay community believe they're superior to the rest of us

**hey** · 2012-07-23 22:32

Originally Posted by Rhinox

Wrong. You're comparing apples to oranges.

Killing someone to prevent them from harming you is socially and ethically acceptable because its part of human fucking nature.

hi2u fight or flight.

Killing because you want someone's tv vs killing because your human nature demanded you do it.

The only difference is motive. One is perfectly acceptable, the other is not.

**Rhinox** · 2012-07-23 22:32

Originally Posted by Thunder

No, they're the same crime* if the mass murderers didn't do it specifically because they were either all white straight males in the theater or all gays in the bar.

*on a magnitude scale of wrongness

even if they did it cause they were gay its just as bad.

jesus tapdancing christ

**Rhinox** · 2012-07-23 22:33

Originally Posted by hey

Killing because you want someone's tv vs killing because your human nature demanded you do it.

The only difference is motive.

you have control of one and not the other.

**Thunder** · 2012-07-23 22:35

I think between two people

1- kills someone because he wants their wallet

2- kills someone because they think differently than them

2 is totally the worse human being and should, if we're denoting punishment by jail time, get more jail time than the guy who killed for the wallet, no?

**hey** · 2012-07-23 22:35

Originally Posted by Rhinox

you have control of one and not the other.

Even if that's true, it doesn't matter. You are still killing someone.

**Tajin** · 2012-07-23 22:36

Killing people, period; is wrong; I really don't understand how you guys say its more wrong because the killing is flavored with: terrorism, racism, religion, madness, etc, etc. The person is dead and it being more wrong or less wrong is not going to bring the person back to life.

**Rhinox** · 2012-07-23 22:37

Originally Posted by Thunder

I think between two people

1- kills someone because he wants their wallet

2- kills someone because they think differently than them

2 is totally the worse human being and should, if we're denoting punishment by jail time, get more jail time than the guy who killed for the wallet, no?

Why? The killer in your first scenerio thought it was ok to kill people on a whim for their money why is he less of a scumbag than one who killss because hes bigoted?

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