Violence Against the LGBT Community

[Acevalefor]

I would like to go ahead and congratulate everyone who participated, on creating what is officially The Worst Thread In The History Of BG. If we ever have a thread this awful again I'm going to personally pour a FourLoko on the servers. You are the worst. All of you.

I don't think this thread can outdo the Solanis era thread about the Occcupy Wall St. movement.

[Dimmauk]

This thread can't be that bad, I only posted once!

[Cadsuane]

Apparently, it very much is up for argument as I would've made the exact opposite case as to how criminal justice works and thought it to be just as final.

The link you claim to exist between a perpetrator's level of understanding of his crime(s) and his motives is tenuous at best, nonexistent at worst, tangential in most probability.
Not only is elevation of trials of intention(*) into law a frightful prospect to contemplate (not least because said intentions are rarely easily fathomed) but it's also counterproductive in the establishment of a discrimination-free society.

If I was the victim of a violent crime (again), I'd care little about the motivations of my assaillant and I certainly would hope s/he'd receive a sentence proportional to his/her actions unrelatedly to what ethnicity, gender identity, sexuality or creed I happen to belong to. (excepting the aforementionned tangential issue, obviously)
Thankfully, that's how most justice systems work and my country has not yet gotten around to ratifying such discriminatory penal decrees.

(*) I know that's not an idiom in english, but it should be. Meaning should be self-evident, anyway.

I apologize for not responding to this, but you'll have to forgive me. The thread blew up overnight into a 40 page shitstorm I more or less refuse to read. I only caught this because I searched for my username in quotes.

The extent to which I've argued that motive is essential in the ascertainment of guilt is broad enough to render it self evident. In particular, take the case of murder. Murder is a cause of death. What distinguishes it from other causes of death is the active agency of an assailant, and that active agency is further categorized to render distinctions between murder in the 1st and 2nd degree, plus manslaughter (which is technically not murder). That is, the distinction is predicated on intentionality or motive. A discussion of motive then, is essential in making an ethical distinction between cases of murder and cases of accidental death, say.

More simply, if I run over someone at an intersection then it's murder if and only if I intended for that person to die. Thusly is murder defined.

Indeed, the claim that one is the victim of violent crime is necessarily also some sort of positive claim about the agency or intentions of the purported assailant, for otherwise there is no way to attribute criminal responsibility or distinguish between accidents and criminal acts.

By itself this doesn't mean that hate crime legislation is a good idea, partly for the reasons you've described. I didn't mean to say that the merits of such legislation were not to be disputed, but rather this fairly basic point in ethics I've discussed.

[shepardG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvoHT...e_gdata_player

Sorry, hard to embed shit on an IPhone. If someone could do that for me I'd appreciate it.
Also thanks for keeping this shit storm open so I could come through with my previous statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvoHT...e_gdata_player

[shepardG]

Jesus fml.

[hey]

I know a mtf transgender who is a lesbian. Making her straight in terms of actuality?

No, that would make her a lesbian in actuality.

[Qeomash]

Worst thread ever? I say best thread.


On transgendered lesbians: sexual orientation and gender identity are two completely different things. There can be mtf that are attracted to men or women. A mtf who is attracted to men is "straight", mtf attracted to women is a "lesbian" and definitely not heterosexual.

[Angeleus]

LOL This ^ and

+ thishttp://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1...-a-fuck-AV.jpg

[tyven]

This thread can't be that bad, I only posted once!

it was bad because your one post wasnt about choking out military pukes

[Rhinox]

And watching the light go out of their eyes.

Motorolans 4life

[Dimmauk]

I'd carve the motorola wings on their chest after I put them to sleep.

[Sera]

Are there really people who still think gender identity has anything to do with sexual orientation? Are we still living in that cave?

[tyven]

I'd carve the motorola wings on their chest after I put them to sleep.

lol

[Callisto]

I'd carve the motorola wings on their chest after I put them to sleep.

would you do it with a razr

[Milkster]

Are there really people who still think gender identity has anything to do with sexual orientation? Are we still living in that cave?

Did we ever truly leave?

[Tweek]

Are there really people who still think gender identity has anything to do with sexual orientation? Are we still living in that cave?

Did we ever truly leave?

i know right? these cisnormative heterosexual SAWCMs appall me!

[Milkster]

i know right? these ignorant posters appall me!

fixed.

[Tweek]

celeste's new avatar

[Sera]

i know right? these cisnormative heterosexual SAWCMs appall me!

Shut up and show me your privilege

[Qalbert]

show me your privilege