Police Shoot Protesters and Children

[Rhyis.]

[NynJa]

Yeah, i'll get right on that, looking through your 12k posts, to see if i can find a french post on an english language forum.

Of course, even if such posts exist, they wouldn't have influenced me, since i don't know any french, so i'm not really sure what your point was.

You'd think finding a couple french words on an english forum would be EASIER to find...someones lazy. Here, let me help you out: Go find Ratatapa's posts, thats a francophone speaking english.

[hey]

You'd think finding a couple french words on an english forum would be EASIER to find...someones lazy. Here, let me help you out: Go find Ratatapa's posts, thats a francophone speaking english.

Well hell, i was thinking of him, not you. Again, i apologize. it seems i was wrong.

Though this does make me wonder why you don't know the difference between fatal and lethal.

[archibaldcrane]

If i have a congenital heart defect, and you taze me, causing my heart to stop and me to die, your taser killed me.

[jmc]

If i have a congenital heart defect, and you taze me, causing my heart to stop and me to die, your taser killed me.

In the eyes of a medical examiner...... sadly, no.

[Nephlite]

It's not supposed to work that way either. Yes, mistakes do happen and sometimes the electrical dispersal pattern can affect heart rhythm, but there has yet been a case where that happened. I could in theory shoot your exposed heart with a Tazer and zap you, and it won't stop your heart. Now the barbs puncturing said heart would kill you yeah, but the electric shock isn't supposed to do that.

[Jonny]

Growing up in a poor area in PHX (while being brown) and even having family members that were involved in gangs...good for the police.
yeah the guys had family/kids but so did the Officers involved, the gang members would have killed them without a second thought.

You DON'T get to try and put this shit on society because they were "disfranchised", being a gang banger is a choice you weren't born that way.
I also had family die from being in that stupid ass life style, but they knew the risks.

[Churchill]

maryvale or central phoenix? lol

I grew up there but was a white minority until we moved north.

[Jonny]

Central PHX

[Churchill]

damn son, used to play ball down there and there were drivebys going down mid-baseball game lol

[Jer]

It's not supposed to work that way either. Yes, mistakes do happen and sometimes the electrical dispersal pattern can affect heart rhythm, but there has yet been a case where that happened. I could in theory shoot your exposed heart with a Tazer and zap you, and it won't stop your heart. Now the barbs puncturing said heart would kill you yeah, but the electric shock isn't supposed to do that.

Edit: Nvm, misunderstood what you were trying to say. I thought you were implying tasers haven't killed anyone from the electric shock.

[Mazmaz]

It's not supposed to work that way either. Yes, mistakes do happen and sometimes the electrical dispersal pattern can affect heart rhythm, but there has yet been a case where that happened. I could in theory shoot your exposed heart with a Tazer and zap you, and it won't stop your heart. Now the barbs puncturing said heart would kill you yeah, but the electric shock isn't supposed to do that.

Oh word? Here's a big case that happened here recently. This was the 16th death following the police use of Tasers in Canada since 2003.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_...Taser_incident

[Nephlite]

Didn't see anything that said the Taser killed him, and even the autopsy couldn't say that the Taser killed him. They do cite that the investigation revealed the officers weren't justified, but his in-custody death wasn't because he was tazed. A lot of things can kill a person. The Taser may have helped contribute to his death, but so did the kicks, punches, improper restraint, lack of medical attention, etc. But the Taser didn't kill him.

[Jer]

So a case where the tasers sent the victim into cardiac arrest without the aid of a baton stick. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...90-504083.html 5 seconds in the Google. There's been a few cases in the news over the years, I remember one from Ohio with another kid. There's been a reported 500+ deaths in the US following the use of the taser, so pick a few and chances are you will find a winnar. Also, obligatory, 'Tasers causing cardiac arrest? SHOCKING!'

[Churchill]

stop having weak genes and you wont die

[Fairy-Killer]

I believe Neph is trying to get across that voltage does not kill, it's the current. However, it only takes about an eighth of an amp to disrupt human functions.

[Nephlite]

I believe Neph is trying to get across that voltage does not kill, it's the current. However, it only takes about an eighth of an amp to disrupt human functions.

Yeah exactly. There's just enough amps to disrupt muscle control but it's supposed to operate on a different electrical wavelength than brain pattern or heart electrical impulses. An electrical socket in your house operates at an average of 6-7 amps and is usually enough to put you on your ass, if not kill you. A Taser is supposed to operate at like .5 or less amps but a high enough voltage to give that thump without disrupting too much of the bodies operations. They're supposed to have fail-safe devices installed in them so you can't deliver a shock for more than a few seconds before it has to recharge.

For electronic kill devices like web disruptors and shock traps, they crank out 10-15 amps in a second, but have a very low voltage. I think the amount that can kill a person is tentatively marked at around 8 amps (electric rails on subway cars are usually 8 amps) and is enough to disrupt heart rhythm and brainwave patterns. Don't quote me on any of this as I'm no scientist, this is just what I remember when I became certified in Taser a few years back and people kept asking the questions.

And like most less-lethal options like Taser and Pepper Spray, it doesn't work on everyone. I've seen guys hit with a Taser at a training conference that don't even blink. They usually feel a slight tingle or something, but it doesn't work like on a normal person. Body composition, personal magnetic fields, natural grounding (people who have shin splints or multiple broken bone heals are the usual suspects immune to Tasers), and even current magnetic conditions in the area can affect the output and operation of the Taser. People who get shocked on metal grates, sewer lids, under power lines, etc. can also get a greater electric shock delivered to them. Like I said, a very very unique set of circumstances and a very unique placement of the alignment of the planets can make things go different. That still doesn't mean it's lethal, and still doesn't mean it's evil or bad for people to use.

[Dimmauk]

Just set your tazers for child and its all good. Just don't use the minority setting, that shit will stop hearts.

[Jer]

Meh, might be a matter of semantics. I always considered something that killed somebody to be lethal. I remember back in college there was the whole thing with the 'Don't taze me bro' guy. A lot of people said it was classified (or maybe should have been?) as a LTL or less-than-lethal since the intended effect was not death, but it could happen as a result. I know a lot of the places that issue them require those using them to be on the receiving end, and I think that might be part of the problem. They believe the effects they had were what everybody will experience and leads to over-use or use in situations where it isn't called for.

Say you have a person standing on the sidewalk. You walk up and tase them and they drop dead. The taser killed them. Saying it was the result of cardiac arrest or something else and not the taser would be equivalent to saying a gun-shot victim died from blood loss and not the result of being shot. The weapon being the cause in both cases.

Biology aside, you also have people saying their use is reserved for those who appear to be 'on' something. Not that I'm saying less PCP heads in the world is a bad thing, but it's people like that who would be much more susceptible to fatal consequences. You can have the most safe device/thing/whatever in the world and it would never kill a 'normal' human. When you then say you are going to reserve its use to the group that would most likely die from it, it ceases to be such a cuddly thing.

[Fairy-Killer]

It's 1/8 of an amp that can kill you, we got to learn all about that in all my electrical engineering classes, lol. There was even a bit in the lab manual that said, "For more ways current can kill you, consult the text book." I would expect a taser to operate at most .04 A. And that would be the powerful ones. Volts deliver the shock (which is why tasers have a shit ton of them) and it's amps that can kill ya. I'm not going to get into the whole what killed who thing but just figured I'd drop this tidbit of info.

Oh, here you go, I was wrong on how many amps: Taser fun facts