Naoki Yoshida at Gamescom/A Realm Reborn presentations

[Spider-Dan]

If you were a mage without Haste (or maybe BST) then I can see why you wouldn't have cared for it.

But for anyone else, the more you put in, the more you got out. For me, it was the only event in the (75-era) game that didn't turn into mindless tedium while hoping for item drops that rarely come. There was always the push for more-and-faster exp, and (at high levels) you had to pay attention because if you didn't, you couldn't keep up.

Note: if you were at colibri camp and you weren't killing multiple wivres per pop cycle, then you never reached the point I am talking about.

[LD]

Word. COR/DNC, in particular, had plenty of things to do (erase DDs when roared, cure BRD or RDM if they get lullabied, box step when you have >110TP, desperate flourish when you have 4+ FMs, plus all your normal melee DDing/roll timers/light shot on Dia).

I still believe that meriting on birds at 75 was the best thing XI ever offered. It was the one activity where effort and reward had a nearly limitless ceiling.

Good lord, man. What the Fuck is wrong with you?

[Alkar]

If you were a mage without Haste (or maybe BST) then I can see why you wouldn't have cared for it.

But for anyone else, the more you put in, the more you got out. For me, it was the only event in the (75-era) game that didn't turn into mindless tedium while hoping for item drops that rarely come. There was always the push for more-and-faster exp, and (at high levels) you had to pay attention because if you didn't, you couldn't keep up.

Note: if you were at colibri camp and you weren't killing multiple wivres per pop cycle, then you never reached the point I am talking about.

Considering how only top tier DDs,RDM,BRD and CORs were accepted in those pts compared to now I'd say you're completely wrong. Either way Abyssea is the same thing except much better, faster and more accessible to jobs in general.

[Raldo]

For me, it was the only event in the (75-era) game that didn't turn into mindless tedium while hoping for item drops that rarely come.

You must be a massochist, dude. You're glorifying grinding exp, and saying that everything else was mindless tedium?

[Spider-Dan]

Considering how only top tier DDs,RDM,BRD and CORs were accepted in those pts compared to now I'd say you're completely wrong. Either way Abyssea is the same thing except much better, faster and more accessible to jobs in general.

I guess I didn't say "75 era" enough times, then?

I had no problems in colibri parties as THF or RNG. Then again, I was actually trying.

[Spider-Dan]

You must be a massochist, dude. You're glorifying grinding exp, and saying that everything else was mindless tedium?

The difference was in reward.

In merits, the rewards were (nearly) analog: when you get better at meriting, you get more and more exp/hr. When you got better at Limbus, you don't get a shorter re-entry timer. When you got better at sky, you don't get a better drop rate. For nearly everything else, once you learned how to win reliably, there was no real reward to improving yourself, beyond finishing the event sooner so you could go back to AFKing. And for the one other activity that did have a more analog-ish reward (getting good enough at Dynamis to full clear the hard ones), your own personal improvement was such a small drop in the bucket that you didn't see the kind of returns that you saw for meriting (the lone exception being the Dynamis puller).

[Alkar]

I guess I didn't say "75 era" enough times, then?

I had no problems in colibri parties as THF or RNG. Then again, I was actually trying.

Sure, go ahead and say that to DNCs, SCHs, PUPs, BLUs,BLMs etc.

[Spider-Dan]

Sure, go ahead and say that to DNCs, SCHs, PUPs, BLUs,BLMs etc.

I already conceded that if you were a mage without Haste, you wouldn't have the same opinion of meriting on birds (or, TBH, meriting period). DNC was more welcome (in high-level meriting) than THF or RNG, so I disagree with that claim.

As far as PUP goes, I'll put them in the same bucket as BST: I don't know for sure that they couldn't have contributed to a good party, but I never personally saw it happen, so I wouldn't object if someone who played those classes and tried to optimize for merit DD said that it doesn't work.

[Gokulo]

On a random funny note: in one of the OF RMT complains threads someone mentioned that all of them ought to be getting Legacy if they won't be banned, just think of that 2.0 credits list lol :D

[Fievel]

On a random funny note: in one of the OF RMT complains threads someone mentioned that all of them ought to be getting Legacy if they won't be banned, just think of that 2.0 credits list lol :D

That actually would be pretty funny.

[Raldo]

Thankfully, you'll need to apply to be included in the credits, and the RMT are unlikely to bother with that.

Before someone asks...

Legacy members can request that their name be displayed in the credits for version 2.0. One name per service account can be listed in the credits.

[Gokulo]

Ahh, see I forgot about that part.

[Lordender]

Only newbs did colibri, my party was bossing those mamools at the top before that big bird camp for crazy ridiculous exp, way more than birds, people were just scared of a little Mamool Ja Lurkers. Our parties never had any issues with the mamools, the camp was always open while everyone camped ontop of each other like retards over that bird camp, lol.

Endless chains, camp always open regardless of peak times, people avoided those mamools like the plague on our server lol.

[Ratatapa]

and now this thread is about colibri.

I just wished we could Meteor Colibris!

[Xanthe]

Only newbs did colibri, my party was bossing those mamools at the top before that big bird camp for crazy ridiculous exp, way more than birds, people were just scared of a little Mamool Ja Lurkers. Our parties never had any issues with the mamools, the camp was always open while everyone camped ontop of each other like retards over that bird camp, lol.

Endless chains, camp always open regardless of peak times, people avoided those mamools like the plague on our server lol.

Word. My DRG worked those Mamools like a boss. Not to mention the thrill of needing to keep up kill speed or you die from repops. Best way of keeping the noob out!

[Izzy]

Thankfully, you'll need to apply to be included in the credits, and the RMT are unlikely to bother with that.

Before someone asks...

I don't see how anyone would request that. Maybe they plan on doing something later on?

[Cichy]

and now this thread is about colibri.

just wait till it turns into how many legs should colibri have

[Kitha]

The difference was in reward.

In merits, the rewards were (nearly) analog: when you get better at meriting, you get more and more exp/hr. When you got better at Limbus, you don't get a shorter re-entry timer. When you got better at sky, you don't get a better drop rate. For nearly everything else, once you learned how to win reliably, there was no real reward to improving yourself, beyond finishing the event sooner so you could go back to AFKing. And for the one other activity that did have a more analog-ish reward (getting good enough at Dynamis to full clear the hard ones), your own personal improvement was such a small drop in the bucket that you didn't see the kind of returns that you saw for meriting (the lone exception being the Dynamis puller).

I usually don't agree with SD, but I agree with this in so many ways. As a decked out COR, meriting with my friends RDM/BRD/BRD + Relic DRK & SAM pulling everything at the colibri camp, all the wivre, Light Shot sleep-stunning them when they tried to do the AOE-attack down roar, sniping the melee trying to finish them off w/ crazy high Slug Shots when the wivres would do their berserk move was so fun. You'd totally monopolize the camp but that was part of the appeal; you just dominated everything.

[Kitha]

double post

[Raldo]

I don't see how anyone would request that. Maybe they plan on doing something later on?

Yeah, that would be my assumption. Currently, there is no way to request such a thing.