Avengers 2: Age of Ultron (May 1, 2015)

[Kaslo]

CAP CARES ABOUT EVERYONE OK!

[Vaspinne]

I think Whedon needs to step away from it all, personally. He made one movie, compared to Marvel's others.

Wasn't he appointed as a general overseer of everything though? Or something to that effect?

[Gredival]

He managed all of Phase 2 because they had to make sure that as an entire set it could all mesh into Age of Ultron. The Russo Brothers will probably do the same with Phase 3 to make sure Infinity Wars works.

[kuronosan]

Wasn't he appointed as a general overseer of everything though? Or something to that effect?

He oversaw the start of Phase 2 to make sure everything was all managed building to Age of Ultron.

[Myrrh_Quetz]

It wouldn't even be too hard to explain. Fury could say that Loki has crap aim. Missed Coulson's heart and explain about the needed push.

[kuronosan]

Might be better saved for Infinity War anyway, when they discover the Kree. Then Fury can explain TAHITI in detail.

[Jaxzer]

Just came back with some friends from our first IMAX 3D experience. Haven't felt like that since I was a kid. Even having seen the Star Wars trailer multiple times by now, seeing it in IMAX 3D hit me right in the feels. Just wow.

[Marootsoobutsu]

Honestly, I just wished they left open the possibility that Ultron survived. I'm not buying they locked him out of the interwebs and destroyed his core conscious. Too neat a wrapup for an AI villain.

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They totally left that possibility open. Vision said he didn't want to kill Ultron. Vision was left alone with Ultron, and who knows what he did with the mind gem in that blast-that-we-never-saw?

[Hirronimus]

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It is very possible he reabsorbed him. After all, Tony did extract him from the gem or did I misunderstand how the AI came to be?

[Salodin]

Yeah that whole scene was weird. Tony designed Ultron, but the capabilities for advanced a.I. was in the mind gem? Idk, kinda confused with this origin.

[kuronosan]

He copied the patterns from the gem and integrated his Ultron AI with it.

[Marootsoobutsu]

Yeah that whole scene was weird. Tony designed Ultron, but the capabilities for advanced a.I. was in the mind gem? Idk, kinda confused with this origin.

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I really, really didn't like the Mind Gem being a computerized AI. A breakthrough from HYDRA's stuff, or an aspect of sentience from the mind gem, or realizing that it can make something sentient... that would have been great. Having it BE an AI was... ugh.

In a lot of ways, this movie felt like a progression-opposite if the first Avengers. In Avengers 1, everyone was already known, it was getting them together and going. This movie was introducing a TON of new people, and it felt like it had minimal progression of the familiar/main cast, excluding Widow/Hawkeye.

As an introduction movie, it was fine. It wasn't what I was expecting/hoping for-- I avoid spoilers/reviews for movies like the plague-- and so I was kind of left disappointed. I laughed a lot, but I only laughed hard a couple times-- nothing to compare to Hulk bro-punching or Loki-smashing.

I dunno. I liked it, I'll buy it when it's on disc, and I'll watch it sometime in the context of the whole-MCU as part of a marathon or the like. But the first was just so much better constructed for me, with far fewer "I really have to suspend knowledge of reality/comics" for it to work for me.

It falls solidly behind Avengers 1, Iron Man 1/2, GotG, and Captain America 1/2, but ahead of both Thors and Iron Man 3 for me.

[kuronosan]

The gem having sentience confused you? They touched on that in Thor AND the first Avengers.

Not to mention the gems ARE sentient. They can also talk to each other.

[Marootsoobutsu]

The gem having sentience confused you? They touched on that in Thor AND the first Avengers.

Not to mention the gems ARE sentient. They can also talk to each other.

Not the gem having sentience; the gem being computerized AI. That... takes a lot of the mystic voodoo out of it, and really reduces it to "Why should I care?" levels for me. Use the gem to GRANT sentience? Fantastic. Describe the gem AS AI? Nah.

[kuronosan]

You must not be well-versed in neuroscience.

[Abandon]

who the fuck is

[Adajer]

Lets argue about science in a tale of fiction.

[Kaslo]

who the fuck is

^

[kuronosan]

Well fuck, I'm just trying to explain that AI isn't really too different from sentience.

[Marootsoobutsu]

I'm just trying to explain that AI isn't really too different from sentience.

And I'm just saying, pushing it as "Oh, hey. This Infinity Gem is just a computer" instead of "Oh, hey. We can use this Infinity Gem to grant sentience to a defense program we're working on" felt really, really awkward to me, and diminished the mystic quality of the gem. In a universe that's going to have Dr. Strange, that feels like a super weird choice to make.