New Job: Wild Speculations Inside.

[Kirin]

You didn't think this through.

http://www.playerschoicevideogames.c...tasynesbox.jpg

[Elcura]

http://www.playerschoicevideogames.c...tasynesbox.jpg

Err, OK?

[Manako]

http://www.playerschoicevideogames.c...tasynesbox.jpg

Just because they did it over 20 years ago holds no bearing on their implementation. Considering that there is already a precedent set in FFXIV for THF being its own job (Moogle fight), and the Producer has discussed THF as being a job.

[Kirin]

Needed Thief for Ninja in Tactics as well.

They can't do 1class=job forever. It just isn't feasible. Not too much of a stretch to think later on that some jobs would be required to unlock others. Thief->Ninja is a fair thought.

[Raldo]

I thought FFXIV was going for the class = new name (i.e. Rogue/Ronin), job = dat FF feeeeeeel (i.e. Thief/Ninja).

I'd rather see Thief stand out, rather than just being "oh, screw that, it's a class".

[TacoTaru]

Needed Thief for Ninja in Tactics as well.

They can't do 1class=job forever. It just isn't feasible. Not too much of a stretch to think later on that some jobs would be required to unlock others. Thief->Ninja is a fair thought.

It's not really feasible for them to do one class equals multiple jobs at the moment either or else you're going to have jobs that ultimately "vary" by 5 abilities.

[Elcura]

Needed Thief for Ninja in Tactics as well.

They can't do 1class=job forever. It just isn't feasible. Not too much of a stretch to think later on that some jobs would be required to unlock others. Thief->Ninja is a fair thought.

That's not even the point.

The point is that classes are under-utilized and generally ignored in favour of jobs. THF being the base class shafts people who like THF for what it is. The base class needs to be original while the jobs coming off it could be THF and NIN.

Also, let's try to remember that every Final Fantasy game is the same. Yeah, nothing changes.

I thought FFXIV was going for the class = new name (i.e. Rogue/Ronin), job = dat FF feeeeeeel (i.e. Thief/Ninja).

I'd rather see Thief stand out, rather than just being "oh, screw that, it's a class".

Oh, someone gets it.

[Osmosisdave]

It was wild speculation! i didnt have to think it through . I understand your point about Thief though, especially considering its popularity (and usefulness) in FFXI. The classes might be quite different in 2.0 though and hopefully relevant to content. I would personally find it annoying if every job from 11 was made with an initial sub class.

[mightyg]

Gladiator:
Paladin
Mystic Knight (Greatsword?)

Conjurer:
White Mage
Geomancer

Thaumaturge:
Black Mage
Red Mage (Necromancer?)

Archer:
Bard
Ranger (Pet?)

Lancer:
Dragoon
Blue Mage

Marauder:
Warrior
Dark Knight

Arcanist:
Summoner
Chemist? Scholar?

Pugilist:
Monk
Thief

Ronin:
Samurai
Ninja

[miokomioko]

The biggest problem with all of the class/job combos we all want to daydream about is the fucking armory system where your class completely depends on what is in your main hand. It needs to be streamlined/overhauled big time.

Thief/Rogue/etc. is going to need those daggers pulled out of GLA's arsenal... or it's going to have to be a separate "dirk" class or something.
Jobs at the moment can't have a weapon class separate from their base class without some convoluted "equip-class-weapon > set-job > change-main-weapon" bullshit.

[Don Katsu]

I think this would make some sense... maybe... I don't know. One class one job does seem kind of lame....


Gladiator:
Paladin
Blue Mage

Conjurer:
White Mage
Geomancer

Thaumaturge:
Black Mage
Red Mage

Archer:
Bard
Ranger

Lancer:
Dragoon
Samurai

Marauder:
Warrior
Dark Knight

Arcanist:
Summoner
Beastmaster

Pugilist:
Monk
Puppetmaster

Assassin:
Ninja
Thief

[Enygma55]

Relics are actually jobs only and put u directly on the job once u equip it so the system is already in place to handle that.

[jwang]

My view

GLA:
Paladin (Tank)
Red Mage (Elemental melee, moves like Red Lotus Blade)

MRD:
Warrior
Viking (Damage dealer, berserk stance focused)

PGL:
Monk
Dancer (Melee enfeebler)

LNC:
Dragoon
Soldier (Tank spec)

ARC:
Bard
Beastmaster (Hunter ver. XCIV or whatever)

CNJ:
White Mage
Geomancer (Nuker)

THM:
Black Mage
Blue Mage (Summons essences of enemies to attack?)

ACN:
Summoner
Scholar (XI style seems to work pretty well)

[miokomioko]

Relics are actually jobs only and put u directly on the job once u equip it so the system is already in place to handle that.

Wait, so equipping a relic automatically equips the appropriate job stone?

[Enygma55]

Yes.

If you're on whm and equip a Bravura, you automatically job changed to War.

You can't downgrade to class as the relic doesn't support it so a class weapon is still nice to have for certain classes, mainly THM.

[Niiro]

I wonder: if you're on a job and equip a class weapon does the reverse happen.

The biggest problem with all of the class/job combos we all want to daydream about is the fucking armory system where your class completely depends on what is in your main hand. It needs to be streamlined/overhauled big time.

^ and it goes deeper than just switching weapons once you're on a job.

Jobs inherit the abilities of their class, it's not at all feasible for most jobs to branch off current classes inheriting all of their base skills and have things still make sense nor is it worthwhile to implement do-nothing base classes for every job.

The system needs a redesign or we'll be seeing a lot fewer new jobs than we'd hope or they'll be a logistical cluster fuck of retrofits and/or redundancies.

[Grey Jorildyn]

Yes.

If you're on whm and equip a Bravura, you automatically job changed to War.

You can't downgrade to class as the relic doesn't support it so a class weapon is still nice to have for certain classes, mainly THM.

This is pretty much the best part of the relic. Frees up an extra macro line and everything lol

[Ashebringer]

these classes sound awesome o:

[Draylo]

This game better have BLU or it won't survive imo. As far as Summoner, I hope it has more DPS options than it did in XI.

[Elcura]

This game better have BLU or it won't survive imo.

LOL. Classic Draylo.