Is/n't Tesla literally/figuratively crashing?

[NynJa]

If Elon cutting Starlink in Crimea means the attack was thwarted, then Ukraine was using Starlink as a tool in their war, which violated the terms of Starlink being available to Ukraine.

"but Ukranians died instead of Russians" isnt a justification for why Elon is a piece of shit for cutting Starlink in Crimea. The Ukranians tried something they werent supposed to do with a charitable free service being given to them.

[Krandor]

What biases?

Is there anyone on this forum that doesn't think Elon is a clown or that Russia is in the wrong (spicy aside)?

[Andalusian girls]

well Starlink has been used by the Ukrainian military since day 1. Musk has been fine with it being used in the war (and should be obviously), but unilaterally decided attacking the naval base in Crimea was too geopolitically risky so refused to provide them coverage there. it is pretty rad the guy that bankrupted Twitter is using his extensive military judgement to limit Ukrainian operational logistics.

but it's also kind of irrelevant, SpaceX is currently building a Starshield network specifically for military use that the US government will direct soon enough. there's no 'our tech shouldn't be used for war' moral conflict in play for SpaceX, they simply want to monetize that use in the most profitable manner (which is fine war profiteering has a long proud tradition). the decision was just another in a long line of publicly displayed outsized egoism.

[Krandor]

There is a dividing line between using it for communication and having it directly tied into the operation of a weapon, both in terms of Musk's personal liability and the implications of it being a service from a US based company provided by the US government.

[Andalusian girls]

what are you talking about my guy it's already tied into the operation of weapons, many many weapons. according to the head of Ukrainian intelligence, "They have proven themselves on the front lines. You can say what you want about whether they are good or bad, but facts are facts. Absolutely all front lines are using them. They have played and continue to play a significant role, because so many systems use the antennas, use the Starlink systems themselves, for communications, for drone transmissions, especially in terms of a remote command post."

in terms of legal liability, i can only posit, lol. p sure both US and international judicial bodies would be ok with a private company nuking Russia at this point.

ultimately none of that stuff is the reason he didn't do it because he is quite explicit about why he didn't do it. he talked to senior Russian officials who threatened to greet Ukrainian attacks with a nuclear response, thus, "If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation." the Russians barked, he flinched, isn't more complicated than that.

[Salodin]

Like I said, read the article to see why Elon is wrong.

And if your reasoning is they shouldn't use it in their war, then guess what! They already are, have been, still are, and afaik the only service interruption has been Elon disrupting service specifically to save Russians asses in Crimea; he very specifically intervened to save Russians forces aka he involved himself personally in the war (for the wrong side I might add).

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[NynJa]

Fucking civs

[Yabby]

Does it say how Elon knew they were about to carry out an attack?

[6souls]

Does it say how Elon knew they were about to carry out an attack?

Ukraine made a request to Starlink to extend their service into Crimera, asking specifically for the port city. Elon says he denied the request to "prevent a mini pearl harbor."

[NynJa]

Sounds like

The Ukranians tried something they werent supposed to do with a charitable free service being given to them.

Wouldnt ya say?

[Andalusian girls]

boy are you gonna be surprised when you learn who is paying for Starlink in Ukraine

[NynJa]

Next youre gonna tell me whos supplying all the weapons and vehicles?
Hint: I already know.

Theres a difference between direct involvement and indirect involvement.

[Salodin]

Sounds like

Wouldnt ya say?

This service is already being used to coordinate and kill Russians in every other part of Ukraine. Why are those excluded from your bad opinion?

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[Salodin]

Also it's not charitable, or free.

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[NynJa]

Ukraine is paying for Starlink? No...then its charitable and free to them.

How come none of the free world leaders are condemning Musk for his actions involving Starlink and Crimea (that I could find)? They've never had a problem speaking out on the ongoing war in Ukraine, yet silence on this one. Why cant I find a tweet from Trudeau about how he's disgusted and appalled over Elon pulling the plug on Starlink in Crimea and it costed the lives of many innocent Ukranians? Its all the armchair wargenerals like you guys speaking out.

Maybe, just maybe, they're (Justin, Joe, other world leaders) keeping quiet on this one for a reason. I could be wrong and they did make comments, I spent all of maybe 3 minutes searching, and thats including me getting distracted and going down other rabbit holes. I'm not one to use the appeal to authority argument, but when the people in power who are generally very very vocal and not afraid to speak their piece are suddenly quiet, theres probably a reason.

[Krandor]

It should be noted that Starlink not being allowed to be used to control drones came up back in February, but no one cared because Musk's name wasn't in the headline.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...nt-2023-02-09/

[Andalusian girls]

the old two wrongs make a right defense eh

but look jack, my standing position is there's a moral obligation to fuck Russia until their last soldier leaves the territory of the country they launched an illegal war of aggression against. and if u get in the way of fucking Russia, yous a cunt

do Musk / Starlink / Shotwell have the right to dictate exactly how their product is used? absolutely. do we have the right to call them cunts at the times their behavior favors the Russians over the Ukrainians? cunt is as cunt does bud.

[Meresgi]

I don't think what Musk did is illegal in any sense at all...but does call into question a ton of shit that should be looked at. People way too often think fucking billionaires are always working in our best interests. I've had people show me Mark Cuban's prescription service thing recently and I just know there's SOME angle there too. Fuck Musk, dudes a fucking idiot and just using his silver spoon given toys to fuck with shit he has no business fucking with but capitalism baby!

[Yabby]

I've had people show me Mark Cuban's prescription service thing recently and I just know there's SOME angle there too.

There is an angle, Money. By merely ceasing the unjust practice of inflating drug prices by an exorbitant 7000%, one can instantly transform into a hero, merely by adopting a more reasonable 15% markup.

[Meresgi]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...biography.html