Minimum Wage?

[Churchill]

ksandra really pushing for fast food rights

[hey]

Pay $.30 per hour

Americans will not work for $.3, don't be an idiot.

What is a "fair" minimum to you?

Price fixing is never fair.

[Coren]

Americans will not work for $.3, don't be an idiot.

Per your statements, they will. "They won't have a choice". And you continue to completely ignore my questions. What is a fair wage.

And for what it's worth, I'd be money that you can find people to do shit like sweep floors for $.30 when they have no food and no other options, so long as that $.30 buys them a burger or something.

[hey]

Per your statements, they will. "They won't have a choice".

Please quote the post i said that in. Because ctrl+f shows this to be the only instance of that in the entire thread.

What is a fair wage.

Whatever the market decides.

I'd be money that you can find people to do shit like sweep floors for $.30 when they have no food and no other options

There are always other options, such as stealing. Not that it matters, since there will never be jobs available that pay $.3/hr.

[Coren]

This is completely true. People are willing to accept incredibly low wages right now because they simply don't have a choice. $7.25/hr is better than being jobless, and turning down a job in this economy can be very dangerous, since you never know when the next will come around. The supply of labor far exceeds the demand, so prices have dropped. When that is no longer the case, prices will rise.

I slightly misquoted, but I'm sure you'd agree the intent is the same.

And if the market says that $.30 is a good wage, then what? Fuck those people, they deserve it and should have "worked harder"?

And there already are jobs that pay that; they're in china. If we remove the minimum wage laws, you think asshole corps won't try the same thing here? You're delusional.

[hey]

Fuck you, i already explained this shit. http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/112...=1#post5358372

In addition to this only applying right now, in this shit economy, by "incredibly low wages", i meant $7.25/hr.

And if the market says that $.30 is a good wage, then what?

It doesn't say that.

And there already are jobs that pay that; they're in china.

China isn't america. Cost of living is much lower in china, and our societies are much different.

If we remove the minimum wage laws, you think asshole corps won't try the same thing here? You're delusional.

There are no laws preventing asshole corps from charging a million dollars for pencils. And yet it doesn't happen. I wonder why that is.

hint: it's exactly the same reason why wages would never fall to $.3/hr.

[Coren]

Repeating logical inconsistencies doesn't magically make them true.

You said you disagree with minimum wages, period. Not with simply not raising them. With ALL minimum wage laws.

If you remove the current minimum wage laws across the board, I can guarantee you that wages will drop dramatically. And waiters already only make a couple bucks an hour... not a far cry from my hypothetical $.30.

China isn't america... yet. If we race to the bottom on wages, and if their economy keeps increasing, it's not inconceivable that they catch us.

Pencils != humans. How fucking hard is it to understand this?

[hey]

You said you disagree with minimum wages, period. Not with simply not raising them. With ALL minimum wage laws.

Correct.

If you remove the current minimum wage laws across the board, I can guarantee you that wages will drop dramatically. And waiters already only make a couple bucks an hour... not a far cry from my hypothetical $.30.

Well first of all, it would only affect wages of people who are currently being paid more than their fair market value, which i don't have a problem with. And waiters don't only make a couple bucks an hour. They make a couple bucks an hour from their employer, and lots more from tips.

Pencils != humans. How fucking hard is it to understand this?

The economics are exactly the same. Hiring someone to do a job is no different than paying for any other service, such as having a mechanic fix your car. Would it make you happy if i used that as an analogy, instead?

[tyven]

Good to see that Hey and test123 continue to be the worst.

And also lol@ the moron who lol'd at an extra 80 bones per week for low income workers. That's a car payment

[Coren]

Correct.

Well first of all, it would only affect wages of people who are currently being paid more than their fair market value, which i don't have a problem with. And waiters don't only make a couple bucks an hour. They make a couple bucks an hour from their employer, and lots more from tips.

The economics are exactly the same. Hiring someone to do a job is no different than paying for any other service, such as having a mechanic fix your car. Would it make you happy if i used that as an analogy, instead?

Tips are not reliable. Some servers make bank. Others work in dives and have deadbeat patrons. Hence the newly proposed minimum wage law for servers. I can tell you that my wife made an average of $4/hr while in college working a few months at a restaurant.

The economics are *not* exactly the same, unless you mean only in a really overgeneralized supply and demand macroeconomics way.

[Zeb]

How many businesses have gone out of business because minimum wage went up? I mean, if it's so bad for them, there should be a wave of closures every time the rate goes up, right Hey?

[Ksandra]

was going to type something long but cat walked all over the keyboard. So fuck it, just gonna say, americans won't work for $.3/hour, they'll work for $1/ hour. THAT'S SO MUCH BETTER THAN CHINA, PEOPLE!

[bluefan]

Whatever the market decides.

Ahahahahaha.

That just made my night.

Rofl.

[Drex]

How many businesses have gone out of business because minimum wage went up? I mean, if it's so bad for them, there should be a wave of closures every time the rate goes up, right Hey?

most small businesses are operating with their heels to a cliff (or at a loss waiting for the economy to turn), so yes, there's a wave of closures or firings every time any regulation increases costs unless it occurs during an especially strong economy

americans won't work for $.3/hour, they'll work for $1/ hour. THAT'S SO MUCH BETTER THAN CHINA, PEOPLE!

if someone is willing to work for $1/hour, who are you to tell them they can't? if you want to be dictator, grab an army and head to africa.

[Zeb]

most small businesses are operating with their heels to a cliff (or at a loss waiting for the economy to turn), so yes, there's a wave of closures or firings every time any regulation increases costs unless it occurs during an especially strong economy

/Citation needed.
I asked for numbers. I'm talking closures not companies reducing their workforce.

[Ksandra]

if someone is willing to work for $1/hour, who are you to tell them they can't? if you want to be dictator, grab an army and head to africa.

let's see if someone can post something even dumber than this.


Guys lets get rid of all laws, if people want to shoot other people in the face who are you to tell them they can't? I mean, really? You think making sure people aren't getting paid so low they have 20 people in a one bedroom home and eating ramen everyday so they can afford to live is being a dictator? Has to be a troll, no one is this stupid. No one.

[Churchill]

i would advocate this road warrior society that some people are proposing

mainly because the wops and similar derps would be bending the knee just to get a scrap.

[Kuya]

I really wish the discussion would move away from minimum wage and towards a more direct solution like a living or universal wage. Minimum wage might help solve the pauperism some workers live in but it doesn't help solve the issue of chronic unemployment whoch universal wage helps with, but at the same time a universal wage also helps with worker pauperism by giving workers an alternative to a shit wage (or a supplement, if you want to see it that way).

[Coren]

if someone is willing to work for $1/hour, who are you to tell them they can't? if you want to be dictator, grab an army and head to africa.

And this guy probably votes. How depressing.

There is a difference between a human and an expendable item (ie, a pencil, or a hamburger). If the US is going to go invade countries in the name of human rights, is not a minimum wage a human right? O hi there, I think I'll pay you $1/hr to eat my shit, AND YOU'LL LIKE IT OR YOU CAN MOVE TO AFRICA.

[Coren]

I really wish the discussion would move away from minimum wage and towards a more direct solution like a living or universal wage. Minimum wage might help solve the pauperism some workers live in but it doesn't help solve the issue of chronic unemployment whoch universal wage helps with, but at the same time a universal wage also helps with worker pauperism by giving workers an alternative to a shit wage (or a supplement, if you want to see it that way).

I tried to do that like 4 pages ago. But herpderp almost-trolls keep coming in trying to turn us back into a 3rd world country. I kindof like the concept of the government paying everybody 40k/yr (or something) to make sure people aren't living in complete poverty.