Cory Booker to run for New Jersey Governer (maybe)/Senator (probably) - Now with More Dead Senators

**Ragnus** · 2012-09-05 07:55

Originally Posted by Sera

ugh can he POSSIBLY GET MORE AWESOME? FUCK

No kidding. Can we just elect this guy right now?

**Eurell** · 2012-09-05 07:57

So when do we get to vote for him as president? 8-12 years?

**Kuya** · 2012-09-05 15:03

Originally Posted by Stumblingdrunk

I don't understand what it is about this guy that gets all of you so excited. Is it the rhetoric?

What i would like to ask him and the democrats is how they intend to cut spending/give out tax cuts (reducing spending reduces the deficit, but giving out tax cuts increases it) while "investing"/creating economic growth (these things require that you spend more and cut taxes which raises the short term deficit). Usually these two things run contrary to each other (reducing spending/increasing economic growth), so i am wondering what magical pixie dust democrats are planning to use to accomplish this.

**Eurell** · 2012-09-05 15:06

Originally Posted by Kuya

I don't understand what it is about this guy that gets all of you so excited. Is it the rhetoric?

He punches fire and saves people from car accidents. Seriously though (not that those two events didnt happen lol) his on the spot speech about gay rights was pretty awesome, and he seems to be one of the very

Spoiler: show

few honest politicians around.

Edit: here's the original thread posted about him in case you missed it. http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/109...promptu-Speech

**Tyche** · 2012-09-05 15:09

Kuya, you've paid close enough attention to the election to understand how democrats wish to handle the revenue situation. Saying "Dems want to cut taxes and increase spending" is disingenuous at best and flat wrong at worst.

**Kuya** · 2012-09-05 15:10

Originally Posted by Tyche

Kuya, you've paid close enough attention to the election to understand how democrats wish to handle the revenue situation. Saying "Dems want to cut taxes and increase spending" is disingenuous at best and flat wrong at worst.

What?

**Tyche** · 2012-09-05 15:10

Ending the Bush tax cuts isn't cutting taxes.

**Kuya** · 2012-09-05 15:15

Originally Posted by Tyche

Ending the Bush tax cuts isn't cutting taxes.

So?

I'm criticizing what he's saying in that video. In that video he talks about reducing spending, cutting taxes, and increasing economic growth. I'm saying this doesn't make any sense. What is your retort exactly?

**Conrad** · 2012-09-05 15:18

People like Cory Booker because he's very intelligent and seems to have a real passion for politics and making things better. He's been incredible in Newark, lowering the crime rate substantially and having a genuine, honest interest in cleaning up the community. He is incredibly active on Twitter, responding to pretty much everybody who sends him a tweet and handing PR unilaterally. In fact, he uses Twitter constantly to handle specific problems -- residents tweet him about potholes, garbage pickup, and welfare problems, and he is constantly driving out to places within the city to do random things like talk to kids who are potentially doing drugs on the street to shoveling the sidewalk of a senior citizen. I don't know if that would translate to a higher office, but he nails the mayorship.

Having said that, I find it doubtful that he'll run against Christie for the simple reason that a loss would hurt his credibility. The NJ Democrats might just throw an also-ran at him in 2013, only to have Booker run for the open seat in 2017 against a lesser Republican. My friends all hate Christie (as do I), but he has too strong of a presence in the state to be taken down. I predict he'll get a second term rather easily.

**Trichocyst** · 2012-09-05 15:19

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**hey** · 2012-09-05 15:20

Originally Posted by Kuya

So?

I'm criticizing what he's saying in that video. In that video he talks about reducing spending, cutting taxes, and increasing economic growth. I'm saying this doesn't make any sense. What is your retort exactly?

He also talks about raising taxes on the rich.

(something about paying your fair share isn't class warfare)

**Tyche** · 2012-09-05 15:20

It doesn't require "magical pixie dust" to reduce a large part of our spending while still investing into policies that increase economic growth while cutting taxes (or renewing tax cuts) for the middle class. Dems aren't handcuffed by a ridiculous pledge. Now, if this will happen or not may largely depend on the how Capitol Hill falls, but nothing of what he said is disillusioned.

**Kuya** · 2012-09-05 15:23

Originally Posted by Eurell

He punches fire and saves people from car accidents. Seriously though (not that those two events didnt happen lol) his on the spot speech about gay rights was pretty awesome, and he seems to be one of the very

Spoiler: show

few honest politicians around.

Edit: here's the original thread posted about him in case you missed it. http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/109...promptu-Speech

Yea, i read what he said, but that doesn't help me understand the gushing over him. He's stating a common liberal position on same sex marriage. What i don't get is why saying such a common thing (for a liberal) is cause for such uncommon excitement.

Originally Posted by Skirkle

People like Cory Booker because he's very intelligent and seems to have a real passion for politics and making things better. He's been incredible in Newark, lowering the crime rate substantially and having a genuine, honest interest in cleaning up the community. He is incredibly active on Twitter, responding to pretty much everybody who sends him a tweet and handing PR unilaterally. In fact, he uses Twitter constantly to handle specific problems -- residents tweet him about potholes, garbage pickup, and welfare problems, and he is constantly driving out to places within the city to do random things like talk to kids who are potentially doing drugs on the street to shoveling the sidewalk of a senior citizen. I don't know if that would translate to a higher office, but he nails the mayorship.

Having said that, I find it doubtful that he'll run against Christie for the simple reason that a loss would hurt his credibility. The NJ Democrats might just throw an also-ran at him in 2013, only to have Booker run for the open seat in 2017 against a lesser Republican.

He sounds like a pretty decent politician, which helps understand why people who live in Newark might like him, but not why anyone else might.

I think other people outside of Newark like him because he is a good orator.

**hey** · 2012-09-05 15:24

Originally Posted by Kuya

Yea, i read what he said, but that doesn't help me understand the gushing over him. He's stating a common liberal position on same sex marriage. What i don't get is why saying such a common thing (for a liberal) is cause for such uncommon excitement.

Why don't you try listening to the speech instead of reading a transcript? It's the way he said it. He didn't just say he supported gay marriage.

**Kuya** · 2012-09-05 15:30

Originally Posted by Tyche

It doesn't require "magical pixie dust" to reduce a large part of our spending while still investing into policies that increase economic growth while cutting taxes (or renewing tax cuts) for the middle class. Dems aren't handcuffed by a ridiculous pledge. Now, if this will happen or not may largely depend on the how Capitol Hill falls, but nothing of what he said is disillusioned.

What you're talking about is not a reduction in spending. What you are talking about is shifting spending from one part of the budget to another in the hopes that it will increase economic growth. If that's what Booker and the democrats mean, why don't they just say that instead of saying "dramatically reduce spending" without the context of "and then we're going to dramatically spend elsewhere to raise economic growth"?

It's because reducing spending and the deficit is a buzzword that Americans like to hear, and Cory is saying it because he is a politician and it's his jobs to say things people like to hear.

**Viq** · 2012-09-05 15:31

Originally Posted by Kuya

I think other people outside of Newark like him because he is a good orator.

Welcome to politics circa the dawn of time.

**Kuya** · 2012-09-05 15:39

Originally Posted by hey

It's the way he said it.

Originally Posted by Viq

Welcome to politics circa the dawn of time.

Hence why it's so unremarkable.

**hey** · 2012-09-05 15:48

Originally Posted by Kuya

Hence why it's so unremarkable.

Saying gays should have the same rights as everyone else isn't really the same as being complely offended by the idea of people voting on the rights of others.

What you're talking about is not a reduction in spending.

Unless it is.

**Tyche** · 2012-09-05 15:51

Originally Posted by hey

Saying gays should have the same rights as everyone else isn't really the same as being complely offended by the idea of people voting on the rights of others.

Unless it is.

This is correct. Where has it been said that the spending cuts in other places would be matched 1:1 with increased economic stimulus spending?

**Kuya** · 2012-09-05 16:02

Originally Posted by hey

Why don't you try listening to the speech instead of reading a transcript? It's the way he said it. He didn't just say he supported gay marriage.

Originally Posted by hey

Saying gays should have the same rights as everyone else isn't really the same as being complely offended by the idea of people voting on the rights of others.

Unless it is.

Well i'm glad he's capable of being offended.

Anyway, you're right about the second thing you posted. If dems reduce spending in one place more than they increase in another, the net result could be an overall decrease in the federal budget. Of course, that doesn't mean you've created economic growth, it means you've reduced the federal budget.

Do you see where i'm getting here? You can't prioritize both at the same time and expect results to be satisfactory. Reducing the budget and the deficit necessarily limit how you can tackle the economy, and vice versa. What democrats should have done was argue that stimulating the economy first will lead to more revenue in the long term and thus a reduction in deficit and debt, but instead, they've absorbed the republican canard about spending. Democrats, fearful of being called the tax and spend party, have become the party of tax cuts and spending cuts. You've ceded so much ground to your enemy, that the entire debate is now framed in the terms of your opponents, the republicans.

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