Guild Wars 2: Post-Release Discussion

[Celeras]

Pretty timely response to the broken paths, all things considered. Very nice, people gotta stop being fgts and get out there and clear the other paths. CoF #1 for example has an extremely clutch final boss with a nice dps/coordination test. Pretty simple mechanic, but my god do you ever need to execute flawlessly. My fav thus far.

[Takiwaki]

Pretty timely response to the broken paths, all things considered. Very nice, people gotta stop being fgts and get out there and clear the other paths. CoF #1 for example has an extremely clutch final boss with a nice dps/coordination test. Pretty simple mechanic, but my god do you ever need to execute flawlessly. My fav thus far.

yup its cool, very fun! but nothing like an awesome reward for finishing a challenging dungeon. . . , which does not happen

[Celeras]

The 5+15 bonus triples your token count for the path, plus achievements/titles/satisfaction for the clear. If that isn't enough for you you're probably playing the wrong game. People who force grinds upon themselves and exploit the easy farm runs within the first month of release probably fall into this category almost 100%.

[Takiwaki]

The 5+15 bonus triples your token count for the path, plus achievements/titles/satisfaction for the clear. If that isn't enough for you you're probably playing the wrong game. People who force grinds upon themselves and exploit the easy farm runs within the first month of release probably fall into this category almost 100%.

Dude thats once a day only when you complete. The fact is you have to repeat the dungeon anyway right? Its still going to be a grind no matter what if anyone wants armor, no one is forcing a grind, there is a grind already.. cmon now. Also the fact that all you really get when you complete is some extra tokens once a day, (gold and xp does not count) and really nothing else particular to that path means that there is really no reason to complete a dungeon path again once you did it once, if there is a way to farm boss chests at a faster rate than completing a dungeon. think about it.

I get what you are saying but this is what is happening in the game right now, you cant change people. Anet will have to budge to the majority unfortunately. I am already finding it difficult to find groups that want to try and complete shit, which I would rather do like you.

My only issue right now is not the difficulty, is that there is really no incentive for most other players to run dungeons to completion once you do it the first time. Even GW1 had a better system in place for endgame dungeons rewards, and I played that for years.

Give a path specific reward on completion that is not xp or gold. Even better give tokens only when you complete a dungeon! that would shut people up, and limit chest to a token voucher that can be chased in only when you complete that run lol.

[Celeras]

Point being I feel plenty of incentive to clear, and could careless if others don't/choose to grind to get an item skin asap.

Doing each path once on two different days nets you an item(cheaper ones), compared to doing a single path 12 times in a day or killing one boss 36 times. I'm supposed to give a shit about people doing the latter while banging their heads against the wall?

[Takiwaki]

Point being I feel plenty of incentive to clear, and could careless if others don't/choose to grind to get an item skin asap.

Doing each path once on two different days nets you an item(cheaper ones), compared to doing a single path 12 times in a day or killing one boss 36 times. I'm supposed to give a shit about people doing the latter while banging their heads against the wall?

yes cel we know its works for you and me but that is not what affects the game in the long run. . . you know this. Its the majority.

[Kachiko]

Do you have to go to the dungeons to see the vendor skins? The stuff in Lions Arch all looks the same as the standard blue/green gear drop stuff. Also, a big huge bow doesn't become a Cabalist, so why did they put it on that gear?

[Eanae]

Do you have to go to the dungeons to see the vendor skins? The stuff in Lions Arch all looks the same as the standard blue/green gear drop stuff. Also, a big huge bow doesn't become a Cabalist, so why did they put it on that gear?

Second tab.

[Kiarax]

Didn't really know where to throw this but random tip I just discovered. Type "salvage" in the search box in your invo, it'll only show salvage kits and trash salvage items, makes it easy to sort through (especially if you have a big invo) to salvage it all in to crafting mats. Another I was using before is just typing "rare" to show all rare/exotics in your invo. It will include Master/Mystic and Black Lion Salvage Kits, so you can easily salvage your rares for ectos too.

[Takiwaki]

Finally they admit it. from official forums

we’re very aware that our reward system is not up to par for dungeons. It is something we are actively working on right now, to try and find a solution for. I’m not going to talk about what our plans are because I don’t want us to be trapped in promises, but I will say this: We know, and are actively working on updating the system

[XalienLevi]

Finally they admit it. from official forums

yea really, conquering an explorable mode boss fight and opening the chest and you can't use a single piece of shit that came out of it. Feels good.
However, I don't agree with the idea of just "doing the dungeon 6 times and be done with it idea" the OP has.

[Kachiko]

Usually the most vocal are the players who consume content the quickest, and the ones most vocal on any time sink built in to obtain said flair. I'm not really impressed, with the cloth dungeon skins, but I am looking forward to seeing the dungeons. I really don't envy game designers who have to work through this balance.

[Akiyama]

yea really, conquering an explorable mode boss fight and opening the chest and you can't use a single piece of shit that came out of it. Feels good.
However, I don't agree with the idea of just "doing the dungeon 6 times and be done with it idea" the OP has.

Same. Fuck that. I was talking about maybe.. if you clear all the paths (more incentive) you can get your choice of a free piece, or you'll be rewarded with a random piece that you can wear at the end.. (whether it's the right stats or not).. or hell. Choose the one you want from a list like story mode and what not.

but don't give this shit to everyone and make it easy. It's one of the few 'grindy' things the game has, and honestly needs since everything else is so fucking easy.

[Eanae]

They should do the GW1 formula which kept people playing. Rare bind on equip skins which have a rare chance to drop from the final chest.

[Takiwaki]

So Monday starts dungeon reward changes. Hopefully for the better

As much as I would like to do a “This is what we’re working on” – doing as such hurts iteration. Because if I say something now, and after its focus tested we have to change that system, then I’m considered a liar, and our integrity is diminished as a result.
We play this game too. We know that the dungeon rewards aren’t where they need to be, and we’re going to work on it until we are happy with how it feels. Monday’s patch will be the start of our efforts to correct the problem. -Robert Hrouda

[arus2001]

I feel like the bigger grind is just leveling multiple characters and 100%ing them, or at least getting all WPs/SPs. You can still get that "grind X dungeon 300 times" feeling, just spread over 8 classes. Of course, you'd have to toss gems at more char slots eventually. For most normal people, that'll take time. The people who are 80 now and bitching about EZ mode are the vocal minority here.

[Arcana]

I don't mind doing dungeon grinds, with the right people you can have a laugh with it and its less painful. what irks me about it is they buff the dungeons after all the whiners got their tokens in a week leaving the rest of the population screwed. i'll admit the rewards, mostly coin needed to be nerfed on CoF - Magg but the fact is they didn't have to increase the difficulty of the entire path, i wouldn't have minded with less tokens, just let there be a path that everyone can do easily for the tokens so they can achieve the gear sets they like the look of, just let it be a little longer than say completing the other paths which have an inherently more difficulty to them.

[Rhyis.]

WvW queue size data. (listed in order of this)


As I expected, my server has absolutely no queue times at all in the AM hours (people also seem to have given up since Thursday):

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The people we're fighting against though, are queued all day every day:

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[Alderaan]

We really have no oceanic presence on Dragonbrand though, so that data confuses me. I personally think we had a bunch of transfers come in when they saw we were winning after the initial weekend. Anet really needs to shut off the free transfers as it makes all that data meaningless.

I dunno how they can make WvW not about which server has the largest overnight crew though. We saw with Aion that setting PVP to specific times is terrible as well. I hate the current system though.

[Cjskater]

You're severely lacking "bads," "scrub," "dominated," "QQ," and "zerg" in your post.

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kidding<3

So much of that thrown around on the official forums, its hilarious reading it