Guild Wars 2: Post-Release Discussion

[Prothescar]

These dungeon bugs and DR systems are getting well beyond fucking obnoxious

[Akiyama]

Yep. Interest in the game is waning fast because of how many more bugs the game has than launch day, Lol

[Kuishen]

Yep. Interest in the game is waning fast because of how many more bugs the game has than launch day, Lol

I don't think it's that there are more bugs than launch so much as it is that there are bugs that nobody would have noticed around launch.

Also the only DR system that I've even had the chance to notice and IS incredibly annoying (aside from doing the same event twice but in Orr you shouldn't be doing that anyways) is my group can complete all 3 paths of AC a little over an hour, but by the third path we're getting 25% of the original rewards in terms of exp/money. That seems like bullshit since we're not repeating paths and we're just doing the dungeons like Anet intended (complete all 3 paths once per day). Hopefully they fixed that with this update and I'll find out in a couple of hours but that system just seems so incredibly petty.

As for the other DR systems, if you're running around doing different event chains in Orr you should not be getting hit with any of them, at least I haven't.

EDIT: Oh haha they made DR system for dungeons worse. Amazing. Based on reading threads anyways.

[Akiyama]

Yep. People are saying in their first clears of dungeons, they're getting DR (like 15 or 45 tokens instead of 60) for doing it too fast.

[Kiarax]

I don't think it's that there are more bugs than launch so much as it is that there are bugs that nobody would have noticed around launch.

Also the only DR system that I've even had the chance to notice and IS incredibly annoying (aside from doing the same event twice but in Orr you shouldn't be doing that anyways) is my group can complete all 3 paths of AC a little over an hour, but by the third path we're getting 25% of the original rewards in terms of exp/money. That seems like bullshit since we're not repeating paths and we're just doing the dungeons like Anet intended (complete all 3 paths once per day). Hopefully they fixed that with this update and I'll find out in a couple of hours but that system just seems so incredibly petty.

As for the other DR systems, if you're running around doing different event chains in Orr you should not be getting hit with any of them, at least I haven't.

EDIT: Oh haha they made DR system for dungeons worse. Amazing. Based on reading threads anyways.

They also made it a pain in the dick to get a full party in dungeons without it breaking. We literally couldn't bring our friend in from another server tonight either, she wouldn't get the prompt pop up at all, but another off-server friend did just fine. Dungeons are broken as hell right now.

[Shiyo]

These dungeon bugs and DR systems are getting well beyond fucking obnoxious

Nothing should DR besides spamming the same path more than once within an hour, doing the same ~3 events over and over and over within like an hour and farming the same mobs for over 30 minutes.

[Aevis]

Some info about the dungeon DR bug:

JonPeters.5630:
I just wanted to update everyone on where we stand with this. So far we have found a single bug with the system that is causing certain players to get stuck in a state of reduced rewards without actually exploiting. A fix for this has already been made and is being tested locally now. We are going to do more significant testing on this new version but we also believe it is more bulletproof to begin with. Please keep posting data as these cases are somewhat rare and are hard for us to find with internal testing but seem to be exposed quickly when thousands of people are playing the dungeons. https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/foru...e/6#post262602
All rewards are susceptible to our code that is dealing with people who are speed clearing dungeons. This means that if you are speed clearing and then play some new chain for the first time it may not reward the full 60 tokens. If you find yourself getting less rewards consider whether or not your rate of dungeon completion is extremely high.

I don't understand why ANet decides to keep the exact DR stats secret. Eventually, it will be found out by excessive testing anyway. At least they gave a little bit more info out about the DR system itself:

A bit of misinformation I am seeing in the threads is that if you complete a single dungeon in ten minutes, we’re going to punish you for it, as though we are punishing you for being “too good” at it. This is not true.
Our DR system combats repeated runs, and has a global presence as well effecting other dungeons. So if you run multiple 10 minute dungeons, back to back then you are going to get hit with the DR system no matter which paths you choose.
However the notion that your group will be punished for clearing any single dungeon in any amount of time is incorrect. Running through multiple speed clears back to back will result in the DR system influencing your rewards.

Plain and simple this system is a safety net for stopping crazy farming when people find exploits that make each run super fast. We are also addressing those loopholes, but that takes time and new ones might always be discovered. If you and your group do the dungeons without skipping large sections and run different chains this system shoul(bugs aside) never impact you.
Addendum for clarity, super fast means < 30 minutes, and even then you must hit that speed multiple times in a row before you start seeing any impact.

tl;dr if you clear dungeons back to back in < 30min each, you get hit by the global DR system, no matter which paths you took or when you did your last dungeon run before.

[Akiyama]

So basically.. run a 30-45 minute dungeon, take a small break, run another dungeon, etc.

[Cjskater]

Please adhere to the allotted dungeon schedule. Any and all deviation from said schedule is punishable by reduced wages upon completion.

[Meph]

or in my case where Arah bugged out and didnt let 2 from the party enter, which meant all of us entering and exiting the dungeon a couple of times. then we hit AC and got 15 tears after a 90min run.
how about they add: if ( mobs.killed <= 0 ) DONT ENFORCE DR!

[Alderaan]

Did 3 dungeons yesterday, all were first runs of the day, and received 45 tokens each time. Meanwhile, everyone else in my group got there normal 60 each. What the problem is Anet?

[Kuishen]

Did 3 dungeons yesterday, all were first runs of the day, and received 45 tokens each time. Meanwhile, everyone else in my group got there normal 60 each. What the problem is Anet?

Been posting my data on the forums for them, but basically for my group the past 2 days we do all 3 paths of one dungeon and have zero problems with DR and the like and then when we switch over to another dungeon is when we start having issues.

TBH the way the system is supposed to work it's not a huge deal, the only runs we've even come close to hitting <30 mins have been AC path 2. Even then people generally have to use the restroom or get a drink in between paths.

I'm positive there are better ways this issue could have been approached but once they actually get their way working correctly it won't be an issue 99% of the time.

[Alderaan]

Oh i understand, I'm just confused as to why i was the only one getting DR on tokens when it was a fresh start dungeon run for all of us.

[Kuishen]

I've probably said this before but the sheer amount of just utter bitching on the OF is mind boggling. "Give me my tokens. NOW." And then the complaints about WvW... jesus fucking christ there is a fine line between having legitimate complaints and just being fucking stupid.

I keep seeing people say that "ANet doesn't give a shit." or "ANet isn't even trying." and I just want to punch some babies.

[Arcana]

There are HUGE legitimate issues in WvW that need to be addressed, such as using siege from your invincible zone making them indestructible. The official forums are the way to get these issues noticed & get a response from CM's & Devs about the issues.

[Kuishen]

There are HUGE legitimate issues in WvW that need to be addressed, such as using siege from your invincible zone making them indestructible. The official forums are the way to get these issues noticed & get a response from CM's & Devs about the issues.

Um? Is that possible? I know you can put siege on the little cliffs just outside the front door of the eastern towers outside the citadel but stuff there can be and is easily destroyed. Anywhere inside your citadel you get a buff that doesn't allow you to put siege down. If you can then it's obviously a bug.

Also the legitimate issues and threads with reasonable discussions are not what I'm referring to. The dungeon patch thread in particular is full of people that are demanding "refunds" of tokens because of the DR glitch or they'll quit playing, which is just fucking stupid. And then threads where people just circlejerk about how terrible they think the game is without actually giving specific reasons or giving any suggestions to fix the issues. Even then most of what they're complaining about is shit that is working as intended and is as advertised from the months preceding the game.

[Lucavi]

Um? Is that possible? I know you can put siege on the little cliffs just outside the front door of the eastern towers outside the citadel but stuff there can be and is easily destroyed. Anywhere inside your citadel you get a buff that doesn't allow you to put siege down. If you can then it's obviously a bug.

There is a spot that allows for what you described above, and yes, it does need to be fixed. Also, the invincible bugged garrison keep lords, ect. There are legitmate things that need to be fixed for WvW.

[Kuishen]

There is a spot that allows for what you described above, and yes, it does need to be fixed. Also, the invincible bugged garrison keep lords, ect. There are legitmate things that need to be fixed for WvW.

I wasn't disputing that there are legitimate issues with WvW and the game in general, it's the retards that are what's annoying me.

One of the biggest things they need to fix is that if they insist on having this DR system for events/drops then they need to make loot and event rewards scale up to your level 100% of the time so it opens up the entire map for you to go do shit in, because as it stands now people are hitting the DR wall in under an hour in Orr and nobody wants to do things in other zones because it's not as efficient. I understand that some people will not care about doing things efficiently but the current system is in direct opposition to the philosophy that made them put in the scaling down system in the game. "We want you to be able to go back and enjoy every zone whenever you want, just not get rewarded for it."

[Greedouw]

still can't enter dungeons so you people are lucky

[Akiyama]

Yep. least you can get in dungeons. I got so fucking mad today that I yelled at everyone in my party, Lol

Couldn't get in at all and the only time I *could* get in a dungeon was when it let me in my own solo dungeon. Seriously. Pick this shit up, ANet or you're going to continue to lose people.