Extended breastfeeding

[Byrthnoth]

It's illegal to sell unpasteurized cow milk regardless of your facilities. The fact that human milk is unregulated is probably more a testament to how new the "industry" is than anything else.

[Ksandra]

Yeah I seriously had to think why it would be illegal lol, it's not like you're smuggling heroin in it or some shit, but it does sound like it could get pretty nasty in shipping or something, bacteria and whatnot.

I think the bigger issue is you don't know if the supplier drinks or does drugs.

there are authorized hospital banks you can donate to and they have the milk tested, but that milk is more expensive I think. (and they only take donated)

[zoobernut]

It's illegal to sell unpasteurized cow milk regardless of your facilities. The fact that human milk is unregulated is probably more a testament to how new the "industry" is than anything else.

It is illegal to sell pasteurized cow/goat milk too unless you meet very specific requirements and get a license to sell it. (As far as I can remember from what my wife told me) My wife and I have milk goats and she mostly drinks the milk herself but every once in a while people want to buy it and we have to label it "Not for human consumption".

[Byrthnoth]

It is illegal to sell pasteurized cow/goat milk too unless you meet very specific requirements and get a license to sell it. (As far as I can remember from what my wife told me) My wife and I have milk goats and she mostly drinks the milk herself but every once in a while people want to buy it and we have to label it "Not for human consumption".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_milk#United_States

Looks like it's (some form of) allowed in 28 states, but not mine.

[Tellahh]

I think the bigger issue is you don't know if the supplier drinks or does drugs.

there are authorized hospital banks you can donate to and they have the milk tested, but that milk is more expensive I think. (and they only take donated)

Yeah that makes sense of course, I remember my sister was losing it when she got preggo, had to quit smoking ciggs cold turkey pretty much lol, but she did it at least all the way past the feeding stage.

While we're on it, what really is the chemical difference from Breast Milk to regular cow milk, I saw "immunities" and other words being thrown around but I don't really know what the major benefit is, just more vitamins and crap? It's that great that mothers would risk getting tainted milk and feeding it to their child?

[Byrthnoth]

It's not like I remember a flavor difference, but my impression is that they're pretty different. People have shown that breast feeding (particularly immediately after giving birth?) does help confirm some disease immunities from mother to child.

[Ksandra]

While we're on it, what really is the chemical difference from Breast Milk to regular cow milk, I saw "immunities" and other words being thrown around but I don't really know what the major benefit is, just more vitamins and crap? It's that great that mothers would risk getting tainted milk and feeding it to their child?

well first off, if the baby is under a year, you are not supposed to give regular cow milk at all. Babies actually can't digest it properly until then. If you can't give breastmilk, the solution is to give baby formula. But ya, that comes with a lack of a lot of nutrients that bm has that I guess they can't recreate in formula.

But, personally, I think shit's not that serious. my mom didn't breastfeed me, and I don't feel like I have any attachment issues, and I would say I have strong immunities just from exposure. But of course, everyone is not the same.

I have gone through two pediatricians from moving, the first one seemed to have a laid back old-school of thought to everything. He was basically of the opinion of "whatever makes your life easier" in regards to everything. I have to supplement with formula because I don't produce enough. My current pediatrician (and their lactation consultants) act like that is the worse thing on the planet for me to do. So I have no idea what studies are going on around the medical community in regards to this since it seems like it could go either way.

I don't think I could ever bring myself to buy breast milk though. The idea that my baby would be drinking milk from some unknown boobie just creeps me out. I'm fine with supplementing with formula lol.

semi-related and just a random bit of bitching: baby is currently teething and has decided the BEST teething ring for her is my tit. ;_; I'm so sore. hahahahha

[Churchill]

Technically, most people never become able to properly digest cow's milk.

[Ksandra]

Technically, most people never become able to properly digest cow's milk.

this is true lol

[hey]

I have gone through two pediatricians from moving, the first one seemed to have a laid back old-school of thought to everything. He was basically of the opinion of "whatever makes your life easier" in regards to everything. I have to supplement with formula because I don't produce enough. My current pediatrician (and their lactation consultants) act like that is the worse thing on the planet for me to do. So I have no idea what studies are going on around the medical community in regards to this since it seems like it could go either way.

Well, there are definitely significant benefits to it, but it's not like the child will forever be ruined if you don't.

[Ksandra]

Well, there are definitely significant benefits to it, but it's not like the child will forever be ruined if you don't.

ya I know, my point was just that at least in my experience it seems it's split among pediatricians on just how important it is. I actually have a friend who is due next month and she is giving birth at the hospital where my current pediatrician is at. She seemed really shocked too that I supplemented. It sounds like they really push bm insanely over there.

[Churchill]

I wouldn't be surprised if formula use was linked to typeII wilfred brimley

[Dimmauk]

Breast-feeding also helps the mom lose weight after pregnancy.

[Ksandra]

I wouldn't be surprised if formula use was linked to typeII wilfred brimley

hahaha actually:

http://www.naturalnews.com/030409_mi...la_babies.html

(NaturalNews) Research published recently in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition has delivered another blow to the reputation of baby milk formula. It shows how consumption of the synthetic product as a baby can cause increased obesity later in childhood.

The British scientists found how body fat mass in five to eight-year-olds was between 22 and 38 percent higher in those who had been given the formula compared to breast-fed infants. Researchers speculated that the children took in more calories at an early age, which altered their metabolism.

The study was led by Atul Singhal, a professor from the University College London. He said: "This study supports the case in the general population for breastfeeding since it is harder to overfeed a breastfed baby."

One aspect the professor did not discuss involves the bacterial balance in the intestines of the infant. Important for digestion and immune function, the right blend of species also remains important in the production of short chain fatty acids which enhance insulin sensitivity. The intestinal flora, comprising more than 100 different types of organism and weighing around 1.5 kilograms, have been described as a `microbe organ`; they complete a wide range of chemical transformations crucial to the normal functioning of the liver and other organs.

While the exact mechanism is yet to be confirmed, the most serious aspect of the latest data is the suggestion that altered dietary habits in the early years can make obesity more likely throughout the rest of the individual`s life. Previous research has already found that 20 percent of adult obesity is related to over-feeding and weight gain in infancy.

Childhood obesity has progressively become a major public health concern across all developed nations. In America, the rate of overweight and obese children tripled between 1980 and 2000. Doctors have raised concerns over the impending health costs that such an obesity time-bomb may cause as this generation enters adulthood. The risk of developing diabetes, hypertension and heart disease increases with obesity. While environmental, dietary and psychological factors may play an important role, formula bottle-feeding during infancy may have a larger role than previously thought.

In any case, the study confirms the positive benefits of providing breast milk to babies for longer periods. In Britain, 75 percent of children aged four months and older receive formula milk. Janet Fyle of the Royal College of Midwives said: "The UK needs to see breastfeeding as a normal process, and to move away from some of the outdated and negative stigma that is depressingly still attached to it."

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/030409_mi...#ixzz25pLXcjRr

honestly, the internet is the worst place to be while preggo, and I was looking up shit constantly trying to prepare for my baby. I learned very quickly to take everything with a grain of salt or I'd have to lock myself up in the baby's room with her for the rest of our lives out of fear.

Breast-feeding also helps the mom lose weight after pregnancy.

best thing ever.

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[BaneTheBrawler]

I remember reading somewhere that humans are the only species that regularly drinks the milk of another species. You can find examples of, say, a dog nursing some piglets or something like that, but humans are the only ones that do it on any meaningful scale. I also vaguely remember hearing about a possible link between formula and Crohn's. Although, really, you can find a possible link between pretty much anything and Crohn's. It's still just too mysterious at this point.

Everything else I was going to say has already been covered. Cow milk not digesting, immune boost of BM, etc.

[archibaldcrane]

Is there something about cow milk besides lactose that makes it harder to digest?

Cause I mean, lactose is in breast milk too...

[Ksandra]

Is there something about cow milk besides lactose that makes it harder to digest?

Cause I mean, lactose is in breast milk too...

http://www.babycenter.com/0_cows-mil...-it_1334703.bc

There are several reasons to delay the introduction of cow's milk until your baby reaches his first birthday.

Babies can't digest cow's milk as completely or easily as breast milk or formula. Cow's milk contains high concentrations of protein and minerals, which can tax your baby's immature kidneys. In addition, cow's milk doesn't have the right amounts of iron, vitamin C, and other nutrients for infants. It may even cause iron-deficiency anemia in some babies, since cow's milk protein can irritate the lining of the digestive system, leading to blood in the stools. Finally, cow's milk doesn't provide the healthiest types of fat for growing babies.

iono which specific proteins and minerals they are though.

[The Stig]

Reading this thread all I was reminded of was Little Britain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOfI48IWESo

Bitty!

[shaddix]

If I was a woman.... I'm not.. and If I were to ever have a child... I would never let the child eat formula, nor would I ever feed them cereal. I agree with archi that just the memory of sucking on your mom's tits is enough to put a stop to breastfeeding around 2 or so.

tangent,
My nephew and his wife have a one year old. She never breastfed him, only formula, and she feeds him fucking lunchables. I have watched her try to feed him at 8 months a hamburger from mcdonalds, the whole burger. When he wouldn't take a bite out of it she gave him a mashed up cookie instead, and that was his dinner for the night.

[Churchill]

My kids are going to be super soldiers if for no other reason than the fact that that will not eat that kind of shit, but since everyone else does, they're already at a genetic and physiological advantage.