Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

**Jem** · 2012-10-23 11:11

Originally Posted by Byrthnoth

Danse is too fast to stun, in my opinion. We can resort to stun locking him if we have to, but it's AoE and we only use three melee these days. If one gets off we're fairly fucked. The Hydra can do Nerve gas and is fairly resistant to stun, but we've taken him down with 0-1 TP moves the last three runs.

Do your stunners use OnEvent? The difference between bot and manual stunners may only be 99 vs. 95%, but when one TP move will wipe you it's a big deal. We don't use a bot and do use Scherzo on our melee party and it works fine, but this set of nerfs is going to necessitate bard swapping and fighting annoying monsters without immunity to their status effects.

I honestly have no idea because I don't have an official group, I just get asked to go along with various groups several times a week. I'd be inclined to think there isn't stun botting though as sometimes they shout for SCH's and those runs haven't been any messier.

The set-ups I've gone with have generally always been 4x DD WHM ??? / 3x RNG WHM ??? ??? / 3x SCH 2x PLD THF. The ??? slots are filled by 2x COR and 1 BRD who rotate between parties and keep buffs up fulltime. COR's and BRD's are assigned 2-3 DD's each to Haste cycle and -na so that WHM's only have to worry about curebombing and erases. DD's are told to bring Holy Waters to get rid of their own curse if Nerve Gas gets off.

I don't even know if SCH's target specific moves or if they just rotate stuns as quickly as they up. All I know is that I have very rarely died on these runs using a Hybrid PDT/TP Ragna set.

I don't understand what you're saying Pchan. Are you saying it gets 3 spells off before you engage directly after popping. Or 3 spells off after splitting before you can engage. Or 3 spells total in all this time?

**NynJa** · 2012-10-23 11:11

Lets not forget about how the loss of Embrava is gonna affect MB bosses, considering "2DD+embrava and it fell over".

but I think you could lock TR on the book

**Slycer** · 2012-10-23 11:14

Originally Posted by NynJa

Lets not forget about how the loss of Embrava is gonna affect MB bosses, considering "2DD+embrava and it fell over".

but I think you could lock TR on the book

Yes the book has a menu interface so you would be able to. But if you were doing 2DD+SCH, your SCH would have been healing too (Embrava+Regen isn't going to be enough to overcome the damage on the bosses unless your DDs are full-timing DT- gear), so you wouldn't be able to lock on the book without at least one more person healing. It will change things more dramatically on the higher tier bosses, especially Samursk, potentially requiring an additional DD compared to before.

**mdkuser** · 2012-10-23 11:15

not really a pb. replace sch with brd, keep haste and 2x marches on the whm/rdm and his erase recst is 2 seconds. better cures etc. and ballads.

**Karbuncle** · 2012-10-23 11:15

Meeble Burrows is still doable, Just may need to bring 1-2 more people. 2-3x DD, a Healer of some sort(SCH even), and a BRD/COR or BRD/BRD should suffice.

Just need to revive those support peoples. I can't see adding a new player or two to a 3 man group will be ending the world.

I mean I understand the implications, More people to compete for gear, Less Win points... But I think the strategy will change slightly, But it won't become next to impossible or incredibly annoying like some events.

Edit: Beaten x2 technically

**NynJa** · 2012-10-23 11:16

the loss of regain will definitely hurt also. I think removing Regain is more damaging than killing duration.

I never said its killing Meeble Burrows, I just said its going to drastically change the event from what people been used to for the first month.

**Damane** · 2012-10-23 11:23

Originally Posted by NynJa

the loss of regain will definitely hurt also. I think removing Regain is more damaging than killing duration.

I never said its killing Meeble Burrows, I just said its going to drastically change the event from what people been used to for the first month.

the main selling point of embrava was allways the haste + regen + duration, the regain was a nice tidbit, it meant that brds didnt have to do marches since your magic haste would have been just caped by embrava and haste. I would have rather lived with nerfed buff potency then with the nerfed duration, which makes embrava useless for alot of stuff.
The regain was mostly beneficial in Niyzul isle only.

**pchan** · 2012-10-23 11:34

regain does nothing for MB, the boss is eating 50 TP half of the time, that's why dot jobs or better btw. The only good thing of embrava was regen especially after beatsruction.

**Toth** · 2012-10-23 11:55

Holy moly. While I am glad to see their plan for The two abilities,it just seems too much, effectively destroying my scholar' s usefulness. I wonder if then that COR will become more valuable with TP roll and Dancer roll, as well as some added DD on leaders, kill all, and specific enemies. SCH follows around with TP magic (this needs to be improved specifically) and Regen, hasting DDs as they go.

**Dotsudoku** · 2012-10-23 11:58

Not to be that guy, but why does anyone even care about Nyzul still? I realize mercing gear was a small(and dead because of cruor) business venture, but if you wanted the gear for yourself, I don't see how you wouldn't be capped by now.

**Toth** · 2012-10-23 12:00

Originally Posted by Dotsudoku

Not to be that guy, but why does anyone even care about Nyzul still? I realize mercing gear was a small(and dead because of cruor) business venture, but if you wanted the gear for yourself, I don't see how you wouldn't be capped by now.

Umm....I have been doing NNI for about two months now and have four pieces. It is VERY easy to have nights where the runs end in failure because of horrible floor jumps.

**pchan** · 2012-10-23 12:01

Because nyzul was the worst event design ever and people were not doing it due to this. Well now join the badwagon and qq more about nyzul on the OF because it is even more stupid. I'm not sure if they realise how hard it was to reach F80 with embrava, fillmode and dats.

**Churchill** · 2012-10-23 12:06

Byrth and I got to F79 in a gimp party setup without Embrava the day the event came out. Seriously a lot of whining lol.

**Loziel** · 2012-10-23 12:23

Originally Posted by Dotsudoku

Not to be that guy, but why does anyone even care about Nyzul still? I realize mercing gear was a small(and dead because of cruor) business venture, but if you wanted the gear for yourself, I don't see how you wouldn't be capped by now.

This stance annoys me greatly. You can be a superb player with superb gear but you cant solo Nyzul. Its not easy for everyone to find 5 other competent players who are not already staticed to do this with. Just because you have it all sorted, it doesnt mean everyone else is so lucky. Its like saying, "I cant believe people arent rich, just go and be rich duh"

**vagus** · 2012-10-23 12:30

NNI wasn't perfect. But it was challenging and fun. Getting to 100 was maybe 40-50%, which is a good considering some items are 10% and below in the game. With this SCH patch, NNI will be much tougher. Atleast getting to floor 100. This may open some new setups and i'm excited to see that.

This SCH patch will have a ripple effect. Marrow, Arise/Meteor, Meebles drops will increase in price due to the increased difficult.

**Sho** · 2012-10-23 12:30

Originally Posted by Loziel

This stance annoys me greatly. You can be a superb player with superb gear but you cant solo Nyzul. Its not easy for everyone to find 5 other competent players who are not already staticed to do this with. Just because you have it all sorted, it doesnt mean everyone else is so lucky. Its like saying, "I cant believe people arent rich, just go and be rich duh"

Sounds like what I tell my Republican friends that support Romney, but that's neither here nor there.

Really though, Nyzul won't be that bad. The PT make up and dynamic will simply change to favor well geared BRDs in NNI now.

**Tarage** · 2012-10-23 12:32

Whelp... with this and the curor nerf, we're looking at an even deader game.

**Jem** · 2012-10-23 12:33

My group overshot 100 on only our fourth run on Day 1 (58 > 80 > 74 > 106 were our first four runs and we had no Embrava). We were the ones who posted the screenshot of overshooting 100 and got a reaction of mass lol. We went like 3 DD + THF + WHM + COR for those first runs iirc (we definitely didn't take a SCH). Hell, we didn't even know about DAT edits at that point and none of us clippered either.

EDIT: To support Churchill's post. Got distracted mid-post.

**Toth** · 2012-10-23 12:38

Originally Posted by Jem

My group overshot 100 on only our fourth run on Day 1 (58 > 80 > 74 > 106 were our first four runs and we had no Embrava). We were the ones who posted the screenshot of overshooting 100 and got a reaction of mass lol. We went like 3 DD + THF + WHM + COR for those first runs iirc (we definitely didn't take a SCH). Hell, we didn't even know about DAT edits at that point and none of us clippered either.

EDIT: To support Churchill's post. Got distracted mid-post.

Good information there. What was your WHM and COR using during the runs if I may so ask. Also, has anyone CLEARED Nyzul without EMbrava? If so, what was your setup and how did the run go?

**Jem** · 2012-10-23 12:45

I honestly can't remember as it was back in February. I can give you the overall run details though (not that it offers much insight)

Spoiler: show

In fact no we did not go 3 DD's + THF + COR + WHM. There was no COR, it was a BLU. It was Apoc DRK / Masa SAM / Ukon WAR / Almace BLU / THF / WHM. And we newbed it up with nobody staying at the lamp for those runs (This was literally first day it came out and it wasn't necessary to keep someone at lamp in old nyzul). The WHM just tagged along with the rest of the group, nobody really split up that much except me as I was using Apocalypse.

Again I stress this was Day 1. We didn't do that badly once we change set-up and got used to it, honest!

EDIT: Turns out this was Day 10 and we just didn't bother with Nyzul for the first 10 days!

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