Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[Darkmagi]

I argued against it without logic for a while back in that thread out of MNKfanboyism, but yeah. MNK really isn't anything overly special right now.

[arus2001]

holy shit someone is agreeing with me for once, is this real life

/queenvoice "its ur final fantasy"

[Cairthenn]

MNK has higher base damage along with Impetus, but a lower fSTR cap and most often higher base delay (damn you h2h calculations), so in higher buff situations MNK loses its edge vs other 1h.

[Prothescar]

I couldn't get MNK to exceed 10% over BLU using various gear sets and having buffs in a favorable condition for MNK (full DEX buffs etc which certainly also helps BLU, so I guess it's moot). If the 2.25 adjustment doesn't affect mnk, blu will likely overtake. If it affects both, little will change unless BLU gets a new trait like Critical attack bonus

[Obsidian]

It's been forever since my stats elective. Can anyone figure out the probability of getting a max bonus Impetus given 95% accuracy and ~3 attacks per round?

[Fwahm]

Are rough values for defense for Legion mobs known? Ranging from the squishy (Soaring Dweorg) to the durable (Paramount Gallu).

If 1 handers can't make it past 2.0 reliably because of less innate attack JAs, then it won't affect Legion all that much.

[Cairthenn]

Even if they are known (mostly not the case), they're being lowered.

[Prothescar]

It's been forever since my stats elective. Can anyone figure out the probability of getting a max bonus Impetus given 95% accuracy and ~3 attacks per round?

The chance of 50 attacks landing in succession is 7.7%

[Tarage]

honestly? yes, stop asking for avatars and start asking for real job adjustments. SMN is beyond saveing atm new avatars wont fix it!

Which they won't give us. Ever.

So I just want a new toy. If I'm going to get beat with a switch, I might as well get to play with my dollie while I cry in the corner.

[Alkar]

Yes, which is everyone's point, that everyone except for most smns seem to realize. Instead of complaining all the time about lack of new avatars that were mentioned in passing by people not even working on the dev team anymore, why not complain to SE about this? Be a louder voice, maybe they listen, maybe they don't, but at least if they have constant feedback they might listen, especially with the new guys in charge.

The more they hear "we want new avatars and we want them now, what's taking so long already, gosh!" the more likely they are to tune out the legitimate complaints of the players that enjoy playing as a smn.

I've been saying this for years lol, I'm tired of being ignored and this late I don't even care anymore. They sure as hell know the job needs a drastic overhaul but they'd rather release small things to keep it afloat. Then you get the whole "BPs don't generate hate, stop bitching" crowd and it surely doesn't help at all.
The other two pet jobs sure got more love than SMN. Heck they even changed the puppet's spellcasting stuff not too long ago.
All my hopes are in XIV now, chances are we get a better version there.

[Obsidian]

The chance of 50 attacks landing in succession is 7.7%

Interesting. Can you figure out what the average number of hits before a reset is?

[Gokku]

I know it works out on paper but in what situations is a blu keeping up with a monk? Are we talking adl buffs or what exactly? Not dismissing the math just saying that I've only been out dps by a blu in 1 morta fight with really bad support. Is the blue like decked out in top gear?

[Enygma55]

The english equivalent of that Matsui post.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...868#post407868

[Prothescar]

I know it works out on paper but in what situations is a blu keeping up with a monk? Are we talking adl buffs or what exactly? Not dismissing the math just saying that I've only been out dps by a blu in 1 morta fight with really bad support. Is the blue like decked out in top gear?

YOu can't compare a poor blu to a good mnk first off, and good BLUs are very rare. In most every high end content situation the difference between the two will be static as long as both jobs are being played by players of equal skill with good gear. When counterstance becomes a factor MNK gains leverage, however a lot of the attacks used by high end monsters are either uncounterable or dangerous to risk counterstance on. BLU won't likely outDD the MNK, it will just retain equal footing with it or be behind by at most 10%. My main argument for BLU in that case is its added utility with DEF downs and stuff

[Fwahm]

Interesting. Can you figure out what the average number of hits before a reset is?

13

[Obsidian]

13

Annnd this is why I really feel like Impetus should only reset when you miss all attacks in a round, or just not reset at all and cut the crit rate/damage bonus by half. Or have some static attack component and let the crit rate/damage bonus reset on misses.

[Prothescar]

It's a nice JA but it isn't what people make it to be.

[fantasticdan]

YOu can't compare a poor blu to a good mnk first off, and good BLUs are very rare. In most every high end content situation the difference between the two will be static as long as both jobs are being played by players of equal skill with good gear. When counterstance becomes a factor MNK gains leverage, however a lot of the attacks used by high end monsters are either uncounterable or dangerous to risk counterstance on.

+ the only situation you're likely to parse mnk vs blu is in VW, and generally it's more efficient to just bring 2 blus and have them fulltime proc spells instead of full dd traits.

[Prothescar]

yeah that too, BLU is crippled a bit in voidwatch by necessity due to having to pick and choose which DD traits to set

[Rocl]

i think we're all forgetting french sums in this discussion