Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[6souls]

So much for my MP set on my PD-only SMN. Time to start farming skill gear to be considered at least decent.

[arus2001]

From the get go, they have said these changes are planned, not finalized. Once they go live on the test server, I am sure they will see what the issues are. They gave themselves plenty of outs in their post, saying they would adjust based on feedback.

Two fixes for NNI: increase random floor range from 1-12
Timer should not start until you start floor 1 ( give us 3 free minutes in the lobby)

Fixes for everything else: lower mob attack power and AoE range of certain abilities.

There you go, SE.

I'd add killing any NM giving +1 minute, the possibility of TEs in dropped chests ranging from 1-3 minutes, and killing a 20/40/60/80 giving +5 minutes. Hell, making the stopper not reroll a too-high roll and just stop on the desired floor could go a long way, too.

[Indalecia]

Ha..."playtest"

That's cute

[Yugl]

Is elemental damage useless against him? Honestly couldn't tell you. It seems as if a BLM-intensive strategy was what he was suggesting.

If you can nuke it, [BLMx4 COR BRD]x3 seems like it would be a pretty solid strategy.

Edit: Hell, that might even be a pretty viable lowman strategy for other VWNM. If four buffed, well equipped BLM can kill something within five minutes, I imagine you could do everything with one party.

When I did MDB tests against him, he seemed to have light SC element SDT (Fire, thunder, etc) and had 170 MDB, so nuking would be hell I imagine. You would also need to contend with magic resistant adds if BLMs miss a stun (The chance significantly greater within this environment since they're nuking).

[Dotsudoku]

18 Meteor-BLMs, obviously '~';

[Tymon]

Is any theory on what would make NNI better even plausible when SE is talking in language that implies that they want the event to be luck based?

If their intention is for you to essentially roll the dice and only succeed a small amount of the time?

[NynJa]

get rid of order lamps, adjust the random jumps, or offer TE's for killing NM's

[Jurist]

I have a suggestion for fixing NNI. Devs get 4 plays a day. If you don't beat it, you don't get paid for that day of work.

[ronin sparthos]

Silly man, thinking SE gives a shit about your 'fun' concept.

Cheat the fuck out of the event, get what you need before the nerf and abandon the event when you've picked it clean.

[Guitarman]

Silly man, thinking SE gives a shit about your 'fun' concept.

Cheat the fuck out of the event, get what you need before the nerf and abandon the event when you've picked it clean.

This. 11 pieces in 2 nights of NNI. In and out quick.

[noodles355]

I'm pretty sure hitting Floor 80 without Embrava is going to be harder than hitting floor 100 with it.

Nyzul Isle is going to be essentially unwinnable. Getting to 80 will be as hard post-patch as getting to 100 was pre-patch

I dunno. We hardly struggled to make 80 pre-patch, and we didn't use 2 Sch with fulltime embrava. I'm sure Sch Brd DD x4 would still be a good combo. No embrava, but still perp-hastes/enspells/regen/phalanx and marches should still make it good.

You are aware that getting F80 without Embrava is going to be harder than getting to F100 with embrava, and to top it off, you'll have to reach it 5 times for 1 piece of gear...one piece of gear that you could get off F100 WITH potential drops from the NM itself.

You get F80 gear in the process which in many cases are great placeholders untill you get the F100 piece and are still better than many non-NNI options.

I think everyone is over-exaggerating how difficult it's gonan be to get to F80 without Embrava. At the start, before the stopper update, Me/Jem/Alkimi's group didn't use 2 Sch (or modded lamp dats). We still got above F80 consistently. Getting F80 shouldn't be an issue with a group of good players after the nerf. And if it means you only get one piece of F100 gear every two weeks then so what - F100 gear is still pretty much the best available in a lot of cases. Considering the time people have put into getting the best-in-slot in the past, I don't see the big deal.

but if you wanted the gear for yourself, I don't see how you wouldn't be capped by now.

Victim of circumstance. I had to go abroad for work, unable to play FFXI for the whole period when everyone I knew was spamming it. Soon as I got back, they were all capped. To this day I still only have one piece of F100 gear, which I got before they added the stopper.

[Kincard]

One thing I'm wondering...how are they expecting people to play-test 18-man content when theres only like 3 people on the test server at any given moment?

[Jem]

Will vouch for noodles on that. He was in my group but had to go abroad with no internet access. By the time he got back we were all capped (well I'm not quite capped, I passed all 100 drops but called it when the rest were 15/15. Wasn't dragging people back solely for a few pieces of Nares I'd never use.). Kinda sad to think that 4 players from my group have all long quit. Only me and my wife play now and even I took a break from April to September directly after we finished with Nyzul.

Reaching 80 with Embrava certainly isn't as hard as people are making out though. We did it at a decent rate pre capper and before we used Embrava every run. In fact here's our run history before we started using Embrava (58, 80, 74, 106, 80, 80, 60, 75, 69, 81, 81, 80). And we certainly made improvements other than Embrava. Plus people are generally better geared now and you wouldn't take a THF like we did.

[Julian]

The problem a bunch of you seem to be ignoring is that you can very easily jump over floor 80. But I guess that's part of the "fuck you your luck is shit" part of the event, huh?

Let's say you get to floor 77. Are you going to try your luck and hope for a 3 floor jump? Nope, you're gonna clear 3 floors to reach 80. Now, if those 3 floors you had done random jumps instead of single floor jumps, how close to 100 do you think you would have gotten? Now change that 77 to a 76 or 75.

[Jem]

You're working on the assumption people would still cap at 100 rather than cap at 80.

[Yugl]

Why not just make floor 80 the top floor then? Either people will cap at 80 and your assumption holds or they don't and your assumption doesn't hold. If the former, that pretty much makes floor 100 pointless content and wasted design.

[Damane]

The problem a bunch of you seem to be ignoring is that you can very easily jump over floor 80. But I guess that's part of the "fuck you your luck is shit" part of the event, huh?

Let's say you get to floor 77. Are you going to try your luck and hope for a 3 floor jump? Nope, you're gonna clear 3 floors to reach 80. Now, if those 3 floors you had done random jumps instead of single floor jumps, how close to 100 do you think you would have gotten? Now change that 77 to a 76 or 75.

in any case after the embrava nerf you should cap to floor 80, 5 astraria isnt so bad and floor 80 is realisticly achievable by a competent groop most of the time, even without embrava. If you have an average of 15 floors cleared per run after the embrava nerf, you should hit floor 80 quiet often. 2min (little less) per floor is doable, even without embrava.

[Eurell]

2 minute floors arent bad at all especially if people are now bringing a BRD. 2-4 songs full time, and you can still get 5ish minutes of embrava if you're bringing a SCH, which I think is worth it for the high regen alone since DD will still be splitting up.

Aiming for 80 now and only getting 1 piece of gear every 5 runs is better than old Nyzul, where you would be lotting against 5 other people, and it might not even drop the piece you were after.

[chichicha]

The premise that floor 100 will only be reached through a combination of hacked skill and luck does not change.

I think SE made a typo there!
Thank you for understanding our frustration!

[Byrthnoth]

Oops.