Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[Darkmagi]

Killing faster is always a good thing, legion is a prime example of where slightly increased DPS can increase your number of kills by a lot in the long run.

[Cairthenn]

To be fair, for the situation provided Glanzfaust should be well ahead.

[Fake]

Not by enough to put mnk on par with drk or war...

[Gokku]

Legion is about the only event I'd even consider that a valid argument, but then I'd counter that with my ability to cap haste and near cap pdt while being at 2400 hp I could out live and therefore out dps any other dd in legion as well. I recognize monks short commings, but I also see how much people over state them as well. I'd agree with the perfect math if we had robots playing our characters instead of humans that make mistakes and a resource drk isn't beating a monk on tp phase damage, offering monk a lot more slack to over tp, scratch their balls etc.

[Fake]

Legion is about the only event I'd even consider that a valid argument, but then I'd counter that with my ability to cap haste and near cap pdt while being at 2400 hp I could out live and therefore out dps any other dd in legion as well.

Spoken like someone who has little to no experience in Legion.

[Gokku]

Spoken like someone who has little to no experience in Legion.

Mostly due to the widely misspread information that monks incapable of doing well in legion, and that the only way to do it is tossing school drks and sans at everything. You can act condescending all you want just being a relic dark doesn't make you gods gift to man, it's people over selling dark that's gonna get resolution nerfed just like it did to victory smite.... My phone hates ffxi terms sch drks and smn *

[Cairthenn]

Not by enough to put mnk on par with drk or war...

Didn't ask for you to build a scarecrow.

[Byrthnoth]

I get Axe/Axe WAR being kinda terrible:

Spoiler: show

DPS:
Normal (post-patch) - 459.5
Enfire - 506
Haste Samba + swaps - 512.6

TP:
Farsha 99 Ganelon DA Ravager Ares +1 Rancor Max Brutal Suppa Ker Ares +1 Rajas Blitz Atheling Patentia Ares +1 Ravager +2
WS:
Farsha 99 Ganelon DA Ravager Mekira-Oto +1 Gorget Kokou Brutal Phorcys Ravager +2 Rajas Pyrosoul Atheling Ele.Belt Ares +1 Dilaram

Same buffs as before

Ruinator doesn't seem to get an attack bonus in the BST spreadsheet (not that it matters with these buffs - Attack is capped).



I also get Glanzfaust coming in at 611.1 DPS with the same buffs with a free AM3. That's ~+6% DPS over Vereth, but it comes at the cost of maintaining AM3.

[Taint]

Mostly due to the widely misspread information that monks incapable of doing well in legion,

Well and Ideal are two different things in a timed event where DPS plays a huge factor. I've played with MNKs doing Mul, can they do OK, sure. Can they keep up with a WAR/DRK/SAM, no.

[Toth]

Oh man now the water is getting bloody ><

[Chamaan]

Wonder how it'd perform if you geared up for crit rate and fencer in TP phase with a single axe. Probably better but also not great.

[Fake]

Didn't ask for you to build a scarecrow.

I don't see how it can be called that, this entire debate was about how monk's potential is overstated next to other strong DDs. "Well ahead" was an exaggeration also in any situation where you are capping accuracy.

[dasva]

Might not 2 DA axes be better than using empyrean?

[Cairthenn]

I'm not arguing what you think I'm arguing.

A specific situation with potential conditions was provided. I pointed out a flaw, that's all.

[Byrthnoth]

Might not 2 DA axes be better than using empyrean?

Somewhat amusingly, Farsha 99 comes in a paltry 3-4 (out of ~500) DPS better than a DA Galeon.

That said, you can't use two DA Axes because they're Rare.

[Jem]

Thanks Byrth. I didn't think it would be up to scratch but didn't think it would be as terrible as that! I thought the sheer strength of Ruinator would have carried it to a half decent result. I assume OAT Axe comes out with similar/worse results too.

[dasva]

Somewhat amusingly, Farsha 99 comes in a paltry 3-4 (out of ~500) DPS better than a DA Galeon.

That said, you can't use two DA Axes because they're Rare.

95 and 99 have different names . Seems odd it would do so poor especially with how ridiculous runiator is. Guess I'll play around with it when I get home

What situation/buffs/mobs you using for each of these?

[Fake]

I'm not arguing what you think I'm arguing.

A specific situation with potential conditions was provided. I pointed out a flaw, that's all.

Fair enough if I took it out of context.

[Toth]

Hey slycer, think you could ask a question on the JP side? I was wondering if automaton, avatars, and other peTs and wyverns are going to be affected by this change. Was there ever set DMG and delay parameters found for pets that may be adjusted as well, since main hands were based on lvl 75 weapons?

[Chamaan]

Would be nice if our puppets got a damage bonus.

Speaking of. I've been starting to wonder about how defensive our puppets are going to be in this new era of no level correction and Defense actually mattering. With the new changes coming it might actually be better to have Armor Plates be +Def instead of straight -PDT. We still haven't heard about our new attachments, so maybe Defense attachments?