Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[Alkar]

my japanese isn't good enough to read the post on SMN enmity..

but the current situation is that the act of using a BP does actually generate hate, probably 1 CE or 1 VE. the blood pact itself is hate-free for the master, but normal mechanics apply for the avatar itself.

0 hate BPs would make a huge difference in maintaining hate off the SMN in situations where avatar cannot hold hate, typically it used to be against really hard hitting mobs, since the avatar would lose hate much faster by virtue of damage - now its pretty much every EM+ mob. 0 CE/VE would mean the mobs won't even turn when the pact is issued and avatar hate is minimal, which would be favorable for SMN, even if its a slight way.

edit:
they mention for reasons of claim hate issues and pet links and what not, if im not skimreading wrongly, it means that CE+1 if mob doesn't already have hate on the SMN, but +0 if he does, or something. also, that this isn't a job ability adjustment but rather a programming one.

they also mention something about enmity loss for SMN and BST pets in solo situations, and they're reducing enmity loss for pets when they take damage. *coughnaysayerscough*

but i prefer Slycers translations.

Slycer where art thou.

But SMN was never meant to solo! Obviously they checked everything before messing with enmity values and these issues aren't a side effect at all!
Meh, this simply means that we'll still have the same shitty pets and they don't wanna touch their damage. Nothing new on that front as usual.

[Ophannus]

Update is a week away. Starting to worry that their 'host of job adjustments' is only going to include RUN/GEO, especially because new JAs/Spells/Traits haven't been added to the test server yet.

Also when are they going to raise the cap for synergy?

From March 2011, more than 2 years ago:
[dev1046] Synergy skill cap adjusments.

[Slycer]

I was writing up that skirmish wall of text D: one sec

[Kyte]

the way I read it is: they dont adjust BLU magic enmity values (compared to other spells), because blu has a limited vary of spells to deal with shorttime hate they get during fights, in the sense of: if you want to survive when you get hate you better set some dmg mitgation spells. I think thats the logic behind it.

Their translation implies that they think hate from BLU spells is a needed liability (like strategems), rather than a tool. For once, I'm glad that they are stupid.

Update is a week away. Starting to worry that their 'host of job adjustments' is only going to include RUN/GEO, especially because new JAs/Spells/Traits haven't been added to the test server yet.

I think they'll at least include the Recycle change in this update.

[ronin sparthos]

I think they'll at least include the Recycle change in this update.

They fucking better. You don't include Damascus Bullets/Bolts in an update then expect that to just slide.

But hey this is SE, Ormolu Bullets are next up on the firing range.

[NynJa]

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/pol...ews22142.shtml


Glad for no more evaluation resets soon.

Didnt we post about it a week ago? I guess a JP must have just brought it up

[chichicha]

Update is a week away. Starting to worry that their 'host of job adjustments' is only going to include RUN/GEO, especially because new JAs/Spells/Traits haven't been added to the test server yet.

Also when are they going to raise the cap for synergy?

From March 2011, more than 2 years ago:
[dev1046] Synergy skill cap adjusments.

Also, where the heck are the other crafting Toque?! seriously...

[Spira]

But SMN was never meant to solo! Obviously they checked everything before messing with enmity values and these issues aren't a side effect at all!
Meh, this simply means that we'll still have the same shitty pets and they don't wanna touch their damage. Nothing new on that front as usual.

i missed out a considering somewhere in there.. and read the sentence again.
I THINK it basically says they considered reducing enmity loss for SMN/BST pets on taking damage, as well as giving SMN/BST pets additional enmity properties, but in balancing between their ability to solo and party situations when pets not taking hate is more desirable, they have decided to go forward with the CE change instead. but at least you know they considered soloing as well.

having subsequent BPs give 0 CE should alleviate the current issue faced and is potentially huge tho.
will that mean sneak won't wear when issuing subsequent BPs?

[dasva]

Wait smn snarl!?! What they could do is undo the nerf to avatars natural pdt. The nerf isn't needed anymore and stacking pdt like bst can might be useful.

[grevenilvec75]

Didnt we post about it a week ago? I guess a JP must have just brought it up

No one actually reported it as a bug on the NA side til monday, and they didnt fill out the form. So chances are no one saw it until recently. (i'm guessing the GMs/bug trackers have higher priority than community reps)

[NynJa]

JP posts bug "Yesterday 12:02 AM" (dunno what time zone that accounts for), without that fucking form, and gets a reply at 10:07 PM
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...81%84%E3%80%82

NA posts the bug April 13, and doesnt even get a fucking confirmation of "ok were going to look into it". And yes, they did fill out the stupid form.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...DC-end-no-loot.

[Dotsudoku]

i missed out a considering somewhere in there.. and read the sentence again.
I THINK it basically says they considered reducing enmity loss for SMN/BST pets on taking damage, as well as giving SMN/BST pets additional enmity properties, but in balancing between their ability to solo and party situations when pets not taking hate is more desirable, they have decided to go forward with the CE change instead. but at least you know they considered soloing as well.

having subsequent BPs give 0 CE should alleviate the current issue faced and is potentially huge tho.
will that mean sneak won't wear when issuing subsequent BPs?

The enmity adjustment they're considering would have to be immense to change anything, and based on what they're explicitly implementing, you're still going to be trading hate with the avatar if you're alone

[Spira]

as has always been the case..
it was just less extreme before SoA came out.
what's happening now on normal mobs is what would normally occur if you took on enemies of a much much higher level, or those that the avatar cannot damage.

edit: the change will make it a lot safer to BP in such solo situations and maintain minimal hate.
reading what they wrote.. since the avatar has a minimum VE of 1, if a SMN does absolutely nothing but BP (when in range), the SMN pretty much cannot take hate simply because no CE is gained above 1. the effect of other spells/ja coming into play would then depend on how they're adjusted.

[Tarage]

Well, at least they are fixing it slowly.

It would be nice if they could somehow fenangle in a "If player isn't in a party, have hate work this way, otherwise have it work the other way". Or hell, give us two stances or something.

Still, not going to look a gift horse in the mouth.

And now can we PLEASE stop about the "SMN was never meant to solo!" bullshit?

[dasva]

having subsequent BPs give 0 CE should alleviate the current issue faced and is potentially huge tho.
will that mean sneak won't wear when issuing subsequent BPs?

Does it now? I thought pet commands don't make sneak wear just invis unless of course the mob turns at you and rawrs. Then again this is mostly coming from bst experience and asside from fight which basically has no CE or something weird they are all self target so I guess rages would make sense to wear sneak now but not after the change which would be pimp. Probably still invis though

[Draylo]

Assault doesn't take sneak but issuing bp does.

[Alkar]

Well, at least they are fixing it slowly.

It would be nice if they could somehow fenangle in a "If player isn't in a party, have hate work this way, otherwise have it work the other way". Or hell, give us two stances or something.

Still, not going to look a gift horse in the mouth.

And now can we PLEASE stop about the "SMN was never meant to solo!" bullshit?

I wasn't being serious with that btw <_<
And if that's all they're doing it won't really fix much other than SMNs using only BPs. I think it's silly to expect us to sit on our ass and do nothing other than BPs, especially in Reives.

[grevenilvec75]

JP posts bug "Yesterday 12:02 AM" (dunno what time zone that accounts for), without that fucking form, and gets a reply at 10:07 PM
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...81%84%E3%80%82

NA posts the bug April 13, and doesnt even get a fucking confirmation of "ok were going to look into it". And yes, they did fill out the stupid form.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...DC-end-no-loot.

I missed that one. So, yeah George Bush does not care about black people I guess.

[Tarage]

I wasn't being serious with that btw <_<
And if that's all they're doing it won't really fix much other than SMNs using only BPs. I think it's silly to expect us to sit on our ass and do nothing other than BPs, especially in Reives.

Wasn't talking about you. I know you were joking.

[calinz]

Also, where the heck are the other crafting Toque?! seriously...

I think they talked about adding GoV to ToAU dungeon zones a looong long time ago. At least 2 years or so. But hey, they can't even add Storage access from all cities still... (obligatory: not to mention cait sith)