Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[dasva]

On the other hand you could have also spent that time out making gil which could have easily have bought you a skirmish set. Also it depends on if you can get a good job for reives and if enough people are doing them to team up with to get it that fast.

[Darkmagi]

The difference is a casual player can mindlessly reive, while not necessarily be able to make that kind of gil in the same amount of time.

[Jem]

Seriously? I do imps daily (2400+) and do a few revies here and there but I am still sitting at 50k. Now I only play around 3 hours a day and with ls events, RUN leveling, and other distractions, it is really hard for casual players to get the massive amount of bayld for the events, let alone wait for a group to be killing it.

How do you only have 50k? I went to Morimar tonight for an hour and walked away with just over 20k Bayld from that one trip (no Imprims used either). All I did was follow the crowd and melee the adds on DRK solo.

Granted I realise some people do not have a decent Reive job but I think players like Spira who are saying BST or SMN only are in the very, very small minority. Even buffing jobs don't get completely jipped since my wife said she was matching my evaluations a few days ago just from giving me songs.

[dasva]

while that is true, a BSTs potential with a slime is much higher than avatars currently have.
- BSTs seem to have more pet:DT/PDT at their disposal, which cut damage down all that much more.
- there's Reward, which is infinitely more powerful than any curing tool that only SMNs can use to keep avatars alive.
- I believe jug pets have more HP than avatars as well, but i might be wrong on this one.
- a TP move like Digest would probably help in keeping it alive a little. Fluid Toss for damage, but if it cant DD enough, theres the master with Snarl.

Technically slimes only have 50% on non blunt and 25% against blunt. That said amongst what you mention there is a big thing in being how that would most likely stack additively with gear/stout servant while smns was gimped to be multiplicative. Which they should really undo since the reason they did it is gone.

Reward is kinda a mixed bag. Sure we can but we also kinda have to at times since we can't always just resmn. Also that one item everyone can use if you rich.

I forget the exact amount but I think newer bst pets have about double the hp of avatars. Now theoretically it should balance out with the 50% pdt but in practice not so much.

And yeah of course a tank pet wouldn't be the best DD. Obviously you are still going to use DD pet like tiger when you want pure dmg and falcoor for th. But when stuff is hitting really hard and you can't take the heat getting a tank pet might up your dps since would let you DD harder or more etc.

In the end yeah I'd love a slime to add to the repretoire. Would I always use it? Heck no but there are definitely situations I would if it wasn't too costly.

[dasva]

How do you only have 50k? I went to Morimar tonight for an hour and walked away with just over 20k Bayld from that one trip (no Imprims used either). All I did was follow the crowd and melee the adds on DRK solo.

I'd imagine it might have something to do with different servers and different populations. Best I've done so far is about that much but in like 1.5-2 hours. And yeah I was capping each eval.

Regardless let's say a person could average 20k an hour. So 5 hours to qualify for naakul and who knows how long to wait to fight it/actually fight it. Looking at the ah a lvl 1 set should cost you about 11-16mil to make. Not counting getting parts randomly doing those reives or turning in imps or fighting mobs or helming if you see something up. 16 mil between 6 people is only 2.66 mil each. Which means in order to farm the gil for them as fast as the naakul you'd only have to make a little over 500k an hour ie do dynamis. So yeah casually you can make the gils. I think people see how much the fight costs and go omg gil and forget it's split 6 ways. Plus some decent gil items in there iirc and alot of time saved on the actual run itself.

[Toth]

How do you only have 50k? I went to Morimar tonight for an hour and walked away with just over 20k Bayld from that one trip (no Imprims used either). All I did was follow the crowd and melee the adds on DRK solo.

Granted I realise some people do not have a decent Reive job but I think players like Spira who are saying BST or SMN only are in the very, very small minority. Even buffing jobs don't get completely jipped since my wife said she was matching my evaluations a few days ago just from giving me songs.

Yeah I was doing battleground revies so there is my problem. I am going to go nuts this weekend and see what happens.

[Ophannus]

Since no new JA/Spells were added to the test server and the update is on Monday, gonna assume there won't be any new job adjustments for anything besides what they posted for RUN. I am disappoint. Wonder if they'll let us augment relics via this way.

[Toth]

Matsui posted a lengthy write up of Delve. Lighting the Slycer signal!
From translate, it appears you do not need to have the KIs/past participation to be part of the run but the host does...?

[Slycer]

Excellent info and clarifications from Matsui. Translation here:

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/112...=1#post5691377

Please discuss Delve in this thread, not here in tracker discussion:

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/115806-Delve

[Damane]

thats excellent, so drop system and a point system in place, in case you get unlucky with drops! Just like he promised months ago

[Martel]

Since no new JA/Spells were added to the test server and the update is on Monday, gonna assume there won't be any new job adjustments for anything besides what they posted for RUN. I am disappoint. Wonder if they'll let us augment relics via this way.

When was the last time they added anything to the test server? It got literally nothing that came with SoA. I think it's been mostly abandoned. <,<

[Jem]

Can you even access Adoulin on the test server out of curiosity?

[Ligray]

Post from Fujito appeared on the JP side, looks like they're finally allowing us to access storage from rental rooms this update.

[Selamis]

Thank God, about time!

[grevenilvec75]

inb4 not nomad moogles though

[pancakesandsex]

Post from Fujito appeared on the JP side, looks like they're finally allowing us to access storage from rental rooms this update.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vpE6uMJ37d...0/ron-paul.gif

[ccl]

If you have issue getting bayld, just rank up one of the good coalition, rank 3 Courrier give 6k/3imprimantur for a 10min walk. That should be enough to be able to naakual every weekend w/o much colonization reive.

[Slycer]

The letter from Matsui today says they have outlined a mechanism to advance RME weapons and verified its feasibility, but haven't yet spent any development time on it. This was in response to a Japanese magazine interview where they poorly chose their words and said something to the effect of "don't throw away those RME weapons just yet," which some people seemingly took as an implication that they are currently worthless. Matsui apologized for that as well and explained what he meant.

[Therin]

I don't understand how people complain about Reives, it's such a joke. So much easier and faster than Campaign ever was.

[Malithar]

I don't understand how people complain about Reives, it's such a joke. So much easier and faster than Campaign ever was.

Think its less about how fast and easy it is, and more about the sheer number thats required to get the things you want. 25k per body, 18k per head/legs, 15k per hands/feet, 120k for HELM KIs, 8k for warp runes, 100k per Naakual, few k for the maps, 45k for HELM gear, 10s to 100k for augment all the gear, etc. Don't feel like adding it all up, but Campaign never required or even had the motivational bait (cept casual exping) to "make" anyone do so much of it. Its good to have a reason to take part in new content, but when it's as mindless and effortless as Reives, it just becomes stale quickly. Its not that its difficult, its that its downright boring. And the items offered are of a good enough quality that the masses and hardcores alike need it.