Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[Toth]

I followed everyone's advice and was able to farm 50k last night during colonization revies in the battleground in about 4 hours (and as I did the runs, I found better ways to maximize bayld so I wager I could get almost 50k now in 3 hours). Probably can do even better if people are farming in Morimar. So getting bayld is not as bad as I thought! Too bad there is so much goodies to want to spend it all on ><

[ronin sparthos]

I don't understand how people complain about Reives, it's such a joke. So much easier and faster than Campaign ever was.

Because its fucking boring.

Campaign involved actual monsters, open space, not getting fucked by every dumbfucks AOE, minimal dumb as fuck wall beating (you could leave such battles), interesting NMs (Shadowhand, Poisonhand, Moo Oozi etc) and easily accessible battles. Reives have boons like auto-tag and timed evals but better than Campaign in terms of fun? Nope.

Of course things will probably improve but I fully understand the people bitching that Reives are boring. You just hammer out the Bayld and hope that you get a Skirmish item.

[Renzy]

Because its fucking boring.

Campaign involved actual monsters, open space, not getting fucked by every dumbfucks AOE, minimal dumb as fuck wall beating (you could leave such battles), interesting NMs (Shadowhand, Poisonhand, Moo Oozi etc) and easily accessible battles. Reives have boons like auto-tag and timed evals but better than Campaign in terms of fun? Nope.

Of course things will probably improve but I fully understand the people bitching that Reives are boring. You just hammer out the Bayld and hope that you get a Skirmish item.

I 100% agree with you, I'd welcome some Reive changes or just a Bayld increase so you can get more than 20-30k/hour

[Siatdiat]

I deactivated all 3 of my accounts when the expansion landed. Reives are boring, nothing really feels new. Nothing like when ToAU came out and rejuvenated the game. After spending all the time trying to make old content valid while they worked on expansion, and adding some new content, and now expansion, I would imagine some part of the games content would be fun and accessible. However, I think that has less to do with SE and more with the fact that the ffxi community is not the same quality it was in 2006. People have gotten used to solo/dual boxing and being anti social, and the game being about farming/completing bullshit for lols sake. Gonna pay attention to forums now and then and see if that ever changes.

Inb4 "make some friends dude" etc

[Dotsudoku]

I'll never understand why people think others care about their disinterest in this game

[Siatdiat]

I'll never understand why people think others care about their disinterest in this game

I'm commenting on the current conversation, that being that reives are boring and not interesting.

[dasva]

I don't understand how people complain about Reives, it's such a joke. So much easier and faster than Campaign ever was.

Easier? I solod campaign on almost any job in the 60s with pretty much no danger as long as I didn't get links. It's only faster if you have other people hitting the roots and such. But yeah look at what you needed AN for and the costs. Only a few items and most costed not too much. The pop items for the fights? Yeah they were like what 3k lol

[Rocl]

Easier? I solod campaign on almost any job in the 60s with pretty much no danger as long as I didn't get links. It's only faster if you have other people hitting the roots and such. But yeah look at what you needed AN for and the costs. Only a few items and most costed not too much. The pop items for the fights? Yeah they were like what 3k lol

What about all those Allied Notes you needed to rank up!? I mean they weren't used, no, but you needed to hit a threshold every 5 days to qualify for any of the gear worth getting. Let's not also forget Campaign (and WoTG at large) wasn't aimed at strictly endgame shit. They've said before that Adoulin is meant specifically for lv99 characters, so it makes perfect sense a lv60 in Camapign would be better off than a lv60 in a Reive. Also, there was no reason to do Campaign other EXP, because of reasons you said: there was no use for Allied Notes! And what little use there was didn't come out for YEARS. Reives have tangible rewards from the get-go; Campaign had like lv50 equipment at release.

I'm commenting on the current conversation, that being that reives are boring and not interesting.

Actually all you said is "this game isn't as good as when ToAU was new" and "I hate people who 2box everything because they're ruining america the game"

[dasva]

What about all those Allied Notes you needed to rank up!? I mean they weren't used, no, but you needed to hit a threshold every 5 days to qualify for any of the gear worth getting. Let's not also forget Campaign (and WoTG at large) wasn't aimed at strictly endgame shit. They've said before that Adoulin is meant specifically for lv99 characters, so it makes perfect sense a lv60 in Camapign would be better off than a lv60 in a Reive. Also, there was no reason to do Campaign other EXP, because of reasons you said: there was no use for Allied Notes! And what little use there was didn't come out for YEARS. Reives have tangible rewards from the get-go; Campaign had like lv50 equipment at release.

Usually took me 1-2 hours each 5 days to rank up completely independent of other idiots. Either way though that was in response to the reives being easier comment not usefulness. More useful for endgame yes easier no.

[Jem]

Lets not forget that Campaign gave awful Allied Notes returns when it first came out too. It wasn't like you could merrily hack away for 1-2 hours and walk away with your Rose Strap or whatever. You were looking at what? 2-4k AN per hour? Can't remember exactly but I do remember it being awful. I remember a few people having to do full day sessions to get enough points for X item.

Campaign was certainly more fun than Reives but it wasn't any quicker reward wise, even if you did have the rank.

[Siatdiat]

Actually all you said is "this game isn't as good as when ToAU was new" and "I hate people who 2box everything because they're ruining america the game"

Not really. I was a multi-boxer as well. Tons of choices of different solo/multi-box content was getting old, was looking forward to expansion, but have been disappointed so far. The games (lack of) quality also has more to do with the community than the actual game design. If I was one of the people who said reives suck but I'll keep farming them like its a job for gear, no one would care. Seems people tend to get butt hurt when you mention not playing the game, not because they don't enjoy game play.

[Rocl]

The games (lack of) quality also has more to do with the community than the actual game design. Seems people tend to get butt hurt when you mention not playing the game, not because they don't enjoy game play.

I understand 0% of what these sentences mean. FFXI isn't a bad game, it has a bad playerbase? Said bad playerbase gets upset when you complain about them?

[Therin]

Maybe my problem is that the Campaign I remember was ages ago and didn't have any boosts or bonuses. I pretty much HATED Campaign, it was virtually impossible unless there were a ton of people around and that meant the only zone anyone ever did was Jugner. And occasionally you'd get those 1 round battles that lasted about 3 minutes.

[dasva]

Maybe my problem is that the Campaign I remember was ages ago and didn't have any boosts or bonuses. I pretty much HATED Campaign, it was virtually impossible unless there were a ton of people around and that meant the only zone anyone ever did was Jugner. And occasionally you'd get those 1 round battles that lasted about 3 minutes.

What you mean impossible without alot of people around? If frequently solo'd in it on lvl 60 jobs to lvl up jobs no one would invite to pts lol. Actuallly usually got better xp/AN when there were fewer people since it made the battles last longer. Well except when the npcs decided to send like 5 groups out into a zone that only had 1 wave coming and I wasn't able to pull a mob away in time. And my server people did every zone that stuff popped in pretty much except the dungeons. Well I didn't do the dungeons but a few people would.

[Kincard]

Being skilled at pulling was a pretty important skill for soloing campaign. If you did Quadav regions you might have a harder time (with Yags/Orcs you can just pull the one in the very back and you'd usually be safe), though it depends on if you prefer pulling sight or sound monsters. Though, just like Reives, Campaign soloing was limited to a pretty small group of jobs (BLU, NIN, DNC. THF, etc...I don't think say, a DRK/DNC would've had an easy time soloing a campaign monster).

But yeah, problem with Reives with me isn't if they easy/hard/whatever, more to do with it just being boring...Campaign did get boring if you did it too much but there was a pretty large variety in enemy generals and such, and when they opened up Northlands things got really crazy, with like 3+ waves of monsters, behemoths, dragons, and gargoyles...I thought it was fun as hell when it was at its high and you had huge groups of people doing it. Hoping they'll add some more variety to Reives to make it more interesting.

[dasva]

Depends on how you did it and what lvl. I did lvl like 5 jobs thru the 60s and early 70s there though. But yeah not sucking at pulling helped and getting some of the campaign gear helped a bit. I used to love to go on blm and AOE stuff eat dirt sit there and repeat lol. Or when I wanted to troll people I'd gravity, sleep, bind nuke etc on rdm still getting capped AN while people tried running after my mob lol.

And yeah fighting in campaign was a bit less boring. Going off fighitng a mob for real instead of the cluster fuck spam everything as everything is spammed on you in a tight little spot reives are. I think maybe it might be more fun if it wasn't so cramped that you lag fest plus are garunteed to aggro everything. People might bitch about how people would pull mobs off in campaign but at least you got to fight something instead of watching a mob die while you try to engage it and it AOEs you 3 times lol. Or conversely with not as many people there having 10 mobs systematically kill everyone. Maybe make it like 100 yalms or something

[Jem]

Just to go back to the Reive being too slow/hard to farm Bayld thing



That took 1 hour 45 mins in Morimar (2 full loops of the 7 Reives). 10-15 mins that were spent AFK waiting on repop at the end of the first loop. There was 2 deaths tossed in there too which obviously slow down your Bayld gain.

Getting Bayld really isn't as hard as people make out. Definitely boring but not by any means hard or slow.

EDIT: No imprims used and I didn't have anything like COR or BRD to skew my output. Was purely as DRK with the occasional Haste (the person hasting was a friends dual boxed WHM)

[NynJa]

is that tally from one reive or cumulative? I havent used the reive addon yet since Im not at home and my laptop is shit in crowded environments

[Jem]

That's cumulative so from 14 Reives total. You can set it up to reset after every Reive if you wanted or manually do it with a command.

It doesn't just keep track in the log though. It has an on screen display plugin like how recast displays with Bayld/Exp along with momentum objectives and bonuses gained. I rarely look at that part though tbh.

[Rocl]

If that was one from one reive I'd probably shit my pants crying