Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[Isiolia]

I foresee a reverse DMG upgrade of these weapons like the update where the Naakual weapons were buffed up.

If the intent is tiered content, it'd make more sense to make the high damage numbers restricted to certain events. Otherwise, it's not going to be long before we won't be able to show up to much on a DD job without one of the new weapons.

On the other hand, if the point is to zero things out a bit, they really need to go back and buff up a lot of weapons. Leave the Delve ones as the best maybe, but there's a hell of a lot of middle ground they could have filled with the Coalition weapons, additional round of Magians, or something.


IMO, they could also address a lot of this by introducing a socketed weapon system, and allowing weapons to be converted over into the gems (or whatever) with the same stats that they use for that. If they allow Magian weapons to continue to be upgraded once converted, or allow for converting back and forth, then it wouldn't even need to be limited to 99 or REM only.

In the short term, they could put in very basic blank weapons to just add base damage.

Long term, socketed weapons with better stats, though maybe with restrictions on which gems they can accept as well - IE, relic-level socketed weapon that can only combine with a 99 REM gem. Or more varied socketed weapons, ones to tweak delay, or damage type, or maybe even add jobs.

Chances are they could reuse parts of the Evolith system to implement it.

[Jem]

I'm willing to negotiate on the exact percentage that RME need to be with regards to Delve weapons. There is also the factor of the strength of the WS and the aftermath effect as well. However, I think the primary point that should be established is that no single drop should be automatically better than something that took time and effort to obtain.

You want to make a Delve weapon better than a T3 Zilart VW weapon? Ok, I'm on board with that.

You want to make a Delve weapon better than a time-consuming sinkhole of Empy or Mythic? Not so sure I can get behind that. Especially Mythic, those weapons are time consuming to obtain and to have them so easily outclassed has to be a gut-punch.

Are you talking about Delve point weapons or Delve Naakual weapons? Because we don't know how hard the latter are to obtain. It could well be they are harder to obtain than R/E/M's because of the sheer difficulty of the Naakuals. All we know so far is that a very good LS managed to do 2% to the Tchakka equivalent in 15 mins and you have 45 minutes to kill them + 2 other NM's.

I don't envision them raining from the sky anytime soon unless a gimmick is discovered. At this moment in time they are more unobtainable than a Mythic until we see registered kills / drop pools on the Delve Naakuals.

[Dotsudoku]

Let's be perfectly honest; by and large, Mythics have always been worthless. There are three or four worth anything, and they're for jobs that don't get used anyway. Mythics have and always will be a status thing. Relics are the same way. I didn't see this level of freakout when Empyrean armor came out, and this is basically the same situation. Yes, people have sunk a lot of money into those weapons, but that's hardly a useful metric; would you be just as mad if currency prices crashed and a relic only cost 15M to make? Upgrading things with the expectation that they'll be the best forever is foolish, in my opinion. In a game where the goal is gear progression, I'm flabbergasted that now that things are actually progressing, people are losing their shit.

Mythic owner cosigning. I think this was horrendously implemented, but their intentions are pretty clear. Time to move on and upgrade

[Damane]

Are you talking about Delve point weapons or Delve Naakual weapons? Because we don't know how hard the latter are to obtain. It could well be they are harder to obtain than R/E/M's because of the sheer difficulty of the Naakuals. All we know so far is that a very good LS managed to do 2% to the Tchakka equivalent in 15 mins and you have 45 minutes to kill them + 2 other NM's.

I don't envision them raining from the sky anytime soon unless a gimmick is discovered. At this moment in time they are more unobtainable than a Mythic until we see registered kills / drop pools on the Delve Naakuals.

assuming the new wapons add 40% DPS over REM (as said from some people), thats still not scratching the Boss fights if REM fighting it did only 2% dmg in 15 min oO, you are what looking at 4% dmg after 15 min with the new weapons... I dont see them to be killable anytime soon with a time limit of 45 min. Inb SE has mistakenly added a 0 behind the total HP number of the boss., typos everywhere typos!!!

[Gynin]

Mythic owner cosigning. I think this was horrendously implemented, but their intentions are pretty clear. Time to move on and upgrade

Here's my problem with that design philosophy though, if I wanted only one way to play, I'd raid in WoW. I get that it's still early in the expansion, but 11's mechanics don't really allow for much more growth than stacking higher damage now. I fear this decision could collapse on itself in time.

[Eanae]

Leave it to SE to try and come up with a solution to something with a problem. Morons.

[Indalecia]

What...the...fuck

Finishing finals, just moved out of apartment, moving out of state.

"Hey, lets check BG, I'm bored!"

new weapons....matsui post....what the..how the....no, just nonononononononono.....

[fantasticdan]

Here's my problem with that design philosophy though, if I wanted only one way to play, I'd raid in WoW. I get that it's still early in the expansion, but 11's mechanics don't really allow for much more growth than stacking higher damage now. I fear this decision could collapse on itself in time.

FFXI in recent years hasn't allowed much flexibility in obtaining weapons anyway, so I'm not sure what you're getting at. For example, if I wanted to play warrior, I go make a ukon in aby, and maybe a rag for mighty strikes if I'm hardcore about it... and that's it. I don't have the option of getting a real weapon from vw/legion/NM drop/crafting/limbus2/salvage2/nni/etc.

[Gynin]

That's 100% true, but as you said that's for weapons. The player could/needed to obtain other equips from other endgame sources. Now its only pigeonholed into Delve. Christ wildskeepers and skirmish don't even matter anymore, a month in. And Delve was supposed to be released at launch.

[Gokku]

I saw one posted idea on the official forum's that kind of solves the issue, someone thought of using a salvage 2.0 system where you take your RME 99 combine it with a boss dropped weapon and get a new weapon. Skins could be unique would allow for them to fix shitty weapons and add further progression via combination.

Example
Weapon X + relic = relic x
Wepy + mythic= mythicy
Wepz + empy = empyz
All combine xyz and you get weapons that curb stop everything with just insane stats and W's etc.

[arus2001]

I feel like Slycer's point a few pages back was the real meat of the issue. With people moving past old content for Adoulin, completing the old stuff will be more difficult due to lesser resources and overall participation. Kill the "need" for people to start down the path and suddenly a great weight is lifted from the shoulders of those who don't have said weaponry now. In turn, the weapons becoming vectors for granting new WS doesn't bug me all that much. The only missing piece would be adjusting costs so someone isn't doing 3 months of solo Dynamis daily just to get a WS, with appropriate adjustments to the other types on top.

If it's just about Jeunoposing, then idk. You're still going to be chasing new gear, RMEC or not. If it's more about the skin, DAT swap or bug SE to join modern MMOs with wardrobe functions. Thief's Knife all over again, I guess.

[Obsidian]

I saw one posted idea on the official forum's that kind of solves the issue, someone thought of using a salvage 2.0 system where you take your RME 99 combine it with a boss dropped weapon and get a new weapon. Skins could be unique would allow for them to fix shitty weapons and add further progression via combination.

Example
Weapon X + relic = relic x
Wepy + mythic= mythicy
Wepz + empy = empyz
All combine xyz and you get weapons that curb stop everything with just insane stats and W's etc.

So fuck everyone whose weapon is 95/90/85 yeah? Seems a little ironic.

[Kyte]

Voltron-weapon idea is stupid (although the weaponX+relic, etc part could work- but they would likely need to add another supply of plates/cinder/dross).

[Sho]

They should just slap +1, +2, and +3 boxes on them and call it a day.

Then furthermore outdate them with Adoulin relics, just as planned.

Everyone's happy.

[Gokku]

So fuck everyone whose weapon is 95/90/85 yeah? Seems a little ironic.

its going to be that way no matter what they do , what makes you think otherwise? i highly doubt they are going to toss anyone without 99 RME a bone.

[Prothescar]

Expecting to be rewarded for an incomplete weapon is pretty asinine. You can't take a 75 relic directly to 99, you have to do the other trials first, expecting this to work any differently is foolish.

[zoopooscooper]

The plan of "Unlocking" the WS is just terrible. As was pointed out, can easily unlock all of mythic WS. Why bother with a 99 Empyrean when you can make a 99 Coin Empyrean for what, a quarter of the price and time (But still get the same WS). So that just leaves relics, most the WSs wouldn't be worth it would they?

Can they not go back and edit the trials to boost the damage more for each trial? And if you already have all trials finished, make a RMEC coupon, you store your weapon and pull it out, boom, all the new stats.

I'm sorry, but the unlocking the WS is the dumbest thing ever. In zero ways does that boost your RMEC, it boosts other weapons, and then makes RMEC now trash.

[Eanae]

What's the JP reaction to this been? Can anyone translate some posts?

[Buffy]

JP appear to be fairly pissed off too.

[Stromgarde]

What I would like to see is a graph of RME per capita over time going back to at least 2008. It has to be something crazy by now considering all the people with multiple weapons.