Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[Buffy]

I cancelled 18 characters (3 accounts) over the last week. The only way I have of voting is with my dollars, and I can spend them elsewhere. I'll probably come back when they adjust weapons, but I don't like the direction they took the game with the new weapons. It's a wait and see for me. *shrug* Can't play forever.

[Taint]

The WS idea could be solid if done correctly.

Permenant KI for 99ing a REMC. AMs for all weapons with the current AM overrides. (R>E>M) Would give people with multiple weapons of the same type a huge arsenal. (Ex Koga and Amano) Good for balance so you can't AM3 Koga and spam Fudo/Kaiten.

Coin weapons just get the WS, Emp99s get the AM. The only thing that would suck is using these terrible looking weapons, but I'm sure better options are right around the corner. Coin weapons would become very popular but wouldn't touch their Emp counterparts.

[NynJa]

Coin weapons would become very popular but wouldn't touch their Emp counterparts.

no, but most people dont have 150 mil or so to 99 an emp. atleast 99ing a coin weapon is very feasible, both in the "i'll farm it all" route or buying route (5mil tops?)

[Taint]

no, but most people dont have 150 mil or so to 99 an emp. atleast 99ing a coin weapon is very feasible, both in the "i'll farm it all" route or buying route (5mil tops?)

100% Agree thats why the option isn't bad.

Lots of people could access the WSs with some effort but the people that already 99ed their emps will still have access to the WS and the excellent emp AM.

I have a good LSmate who was 57/60 on his 99Almace before the bomb dropped, he's definitely quitting if they don't throw him a bone. I think this solution isn't that bad, it lets SE move forward with their content and lets people still carry over a memento from old content.

[Byrthnoth]

I like the idea and think it saves many weapons and gives them the opportunity to correct some AM weirdness (like how AM2/3 don't overwrite themselves), but I do not think they would ever spring for it because it wouldn't address the problem they're trying to solve. Before the patch, making an RME had essentially become a mission prerequisite for joining any kind of group endgame content in FFXI. It adds to our already-long list of legacy content. Like, a new player:
* Completes City missions.
* Completes RotZ.
* Completes CoP.
* Completes ToAU.
* Completes WotG.
* Does their necessary AF1 quests.
* Farms their necessary AF2 in Dynamis.
* Farms their necessary AF3 in Abyssea.
* Picks up misc. drops (Abjurations, etc.)
* Spends months making an RME.
* Finally, is ready to do endgame. (Neo-NI, Salvage v2, Delve)
** If they want to do Legion, they had better take their RME to 99.

Allowing Mythic AM to overwrite Empyrean AM, which overwrites Relic AM would change "Spends months making an RME" to "Spends months making a Mythic for their 2H DD, and then spends another few months in Delve getting the top non-RME weapon for their class." It would take them in the opposite direction from what they want to go. SE might be incompetent, but I'm not sure they would go quite that far.

[Julian]

Could always make Empy 90 = Coin 99, as in Empy 90 would give you the WS, but you need 99 for the aftermath?

[Byrthnoth]

Could always make Empy 90 = Coin 99, as in Empy 90 would give you the WS, but you need 99 for the aftermath?

This would be pretty fair, in my opinion.

The proposed solution does nothing for Ragnarok or Spharai, though.

[Jem]

They could just make it so you unlock an upgraded version of the WS with no AM. Just give Coin weapons the existing version. It would also be a perfect time for them to retool some modifiers to make the more useless WS'es useable.

Like for something crappy like Geirskogul maybe they could change it to something like 3.5 ftp 60% AGI, 30% STR, +20% Attack Boost. Let them retain the WS Damage bonus that 99 relic had.

[Damane]

This would be pretty fair, in my opinion.

The proposed solution does nothing for Ragnarok or Spharai, though.

Unless they do some Weaponskill tweeks and balance R/E/M WSs out to each other, this could be possible after all. well ok Ragnarok has no awesome E counterpart WS to be compared to, but torcleaver isnt that bad. however if they would bring Final heaven near to Victory smite level it would help. Same would go for other R/E/M WSs. Best solution would be to balance R/E/M and Merit WSs out, so you use R/E/M for aftermath and Merit WSs if you have none of the 3 opitons available. Meh fuck this who cares.

[Julian]

Like others said, they could always take this opportunity to balance some weaponskills out.

[Draylo]

Just make them useful, why would I want to use a sword that looks like a kaiser sword from level 20 when I had an epic looking sword of doom.

[Taint]

Just make them useful, why would I want to use a sword that looks like a kaiser sword from level 20 when I had an epic looking sword of doom.

I'm sure new weapons are coming. These current augmented ones are either the base model and evolve or there will be another few lines or weapons/models.


As for Rag/spharai there will definitely be some casualties. Ragnarok sucked for 8 years and only became good because of Resolution.

[wipers]

See you in six months when they get around to fixing things.

[Hitou]

Like others said, they could always take this opportunity to balance some weaponskills out.

I think it was over a year ago at this point, maybe more, that they said they were going to revamp all weaponskills. This was when people where whining how only WAR and NIN and MNK were useful in abyssea due to access to proc WS. I think this was before VW even came out lol. So yeah, nothing ever came of that. I wouldn't hold my breath.

[D44kpunk]

if you're quitting over your trophies getting nerfed you really need to evaluate why you play this game. everywhere is full of people crying because a content patch out dated their old gear. sure, complain all you want(and ask for balance, it's probably a legit request), relics were a bitch to get, but if you're quitting over it and complaining... you were only playing the game to look pretty not actually play the game. facebook.com would better suit your needs

[Tymon]

The only comical scenario I find in all of this is the people going off on tirades about how they're cancelling their subscription because their effort was wasted, then realizing they're (not all obviously) the same people that bitch about Clipper being broken every patch.

Bit of a hypocrisy there isn't it? Raging about effort wasted with gear changes but perfectly willing to risk losing it all to a LM17 without breaking a sweat?

[CoreyX]

Not to mention that quitting wastes all 3840384384 hours of playtime worth of effort automatically by proxy (Unless they come back eventually)

But yeah it's funny that the cheaters are the ones that feel the most cheated

[grevenilvec75]

Why would a casualtard who won't even play long enough to make a 99 REM complain about wasted time? The people who are getting punched in the dick are the exact kind of people who make the game-world go around. Who do you think is buying all the currency and organizing all the voidwatch PUGs, etc?

[NynJa]

organizing all the voidwatch PUGs, etc?

I'm sorry, but this is a REALLY bad example lol, most voidwatch PUGS are organized by pretty bad players

[Loziel]

Yeah but how many terrible players do you see with 99 r e m, on Bahamut there are tons