Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[dasva]

Moth will only use Exuviation if it has 2+ debuffs on, you can make it remove all its DT in under 2mins easily, fight shouldn't take more than 7mins with a good group, less than 15min in a pickup party is easy.

That isn't the case for everyone everytime. I've fought it before with everyone spamming debuffs and it hadn't even used the first exuviation by 2 minutes. Not even sure if we were done removing dt by 7. You say 15 min easy but definitely spent 25 minutes in fracture before it 1 shotted me on pld and the procede to slowly rape the dds it hadn't already then mages. And it was still at 15%. Now granted someone did throw up a debuff mid fight and it got off a 14k exuviation but still not as easy as you say

[TummieGaruda]

I think most people really overestimate those mob difficulty, like the peiste seems ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE w/o the gimmick in 10 min, with blind, only 4-5 dd, 4 song brd( no rotation cause we lazy as fuck), no cor, a lot of mule doing nothing (getting KI for friends/mule while farming bead) it died under 10min.

Same thing for most NMs we found weakness, if it's too hard for half decent PUG, it mean the gimmick isn't totally figured.

For Tax'ex, has anyone seen it take more damage with extra exuviations after the initial 20 at the start of the fight?

That isn't the case for everyone everytime. I've fought it before with everyone spamming debuffs and it hadn't even used the first exuviation by 2 minutes. Not even sure if we were done removing dt by 7. You say 15 min easy but definitely spent 25 minutes in fracture before it 1 shotted me on pld and the procede to slowly rape the dds it hadn't already then mages. And it was still at 15%. Now granted someone did throw up a debuff mid fight and it got off a 14k exuviation but still not as easy as you say

I wonder if only certain debuffs work on this NM to force it. I know on Mobs Exuviation is full erase whereas on BLU, only spells that can be removed by erase work (doesn't remove para, poison, etc)

[ccl]

It might be debuff specific, we had a mnk using shinjin and no other wpn/ws with add effect, and it keep using exuviation after shinjin it might had another debuff on it, but once the mnk switched ws, it stopped using it.

[Shadida]

We had a similar experience on Tax'et with a pickup group a couple nights ago. I'm curious, would Addle prevent the mob from spamming TP moves, or is that only applicable to magic? Anyone else who had trouble getting Tax'et to spam Exuviation, were you using Addle?

[dasva]

My theory is that all debuffs can but some might be more encouraging so to speak. Like once it started going last fight with most debuffs it might wait 5-10 seconds before launching another exuviation while say if I used flash it would use it as soon as I cast/animation from last one was done if it wasn't casting. I think the debuff ws faired simialar though not many wsd. So maybe it kinda takes into account how debilitating the sum total of debuffs are in it? So you can still do it with dia and what not when stacked but stronger debuffs work better? From an a player prespective would kinda make sense. If you had a full erase/heal you'd be less likely to remove 1 minor debuff

[dasva]

We had a similar experience on Tax'et with a pickup group a couple nights ago. I'm curious, would Addle prevent the mob from spamming TP moves, or is that only applicable to magic? Anyone else who had trouble getting Tax'et to spam Exuviation, were you using Addle?

Addle is just spells. Plus it's just casting time not recast anyways

[NynJa]

I feel the only people ecstatic about the 20 min depop are the ones in the 1-3% of the playerbase who actually have LS's capable of killing them in the 20 minute window...or already have their KI's and dont give a fuck because they already got their shit lol.

Exact same thing, just other side of the spectrum...the people who cant get 99 RME's being upset at the notion of their weapons being useless unless they finish em, and it "not being fair". Do I feel I have the skill level and gear to participate and contribute in 20 minute delve fights? Fuck yeah. Do I feel comfortable being able to field 17 others to do a good job? Not quite


All I'm saying is, I feel 20 min depop is a little too excessive. Basically saying "perfect fight or bust"

[dasva]

Yeah I'd say 30 min fight or make them less gimmicky would be reasonable... or ya know don't give them 1mil hp lol. But strict time limit plus gimmicks plus enough hp to force strong zergs all put together is uggg


Almost seems like they want us to get KIs and weapons farming inside just to reliably kill t1 stuff outside with casual players. And then farm beads and sell to the lss who can do the naakuls lol. Or maybe delve weapon dds kinda helping everyone else to KIs and plasm

[Fake]

That isn't the case for everyone everytime. I've fought it before with everyone spamming debuffs and it hadn't even used the first exuviation by 2 minutes. Not even sure if we were done removing dt by 7. You say 15 min easy but definitely spent 25 minutes in fracture before it 1 shotted me on pld and the procede to slowly rape the dds it hadn't already then mages. And it was still at 15%. Now granted someone did throw up a debuff mid fight and it got off a 14k exuviation but still not as easy as you say

I have fought moth 6 times now and every single time fight we have never had any issues with forcing it to spam exuviation 20 times. As drk I just spam through absorb spells, brds alternate requiem/elegy, mages cast bio. I think in each fight maybe 1-2 tp moves in the time it took to do 20 exuviation, weren't exuviation.

Seems unlikely that I can do that many fights and never have the issue, nor has anyone else I've spoken to who has also done the fight in the last 2 days.

Also, most NMs have 400-600k hp, not 1million

[arus2001]

Haven't been a fan of rage timers in general. The 20 minute limit also seems dumb. But that all seems conditional on other stuff that is and isn't present in the game right now. Improving Skirmish's access rate would be a start, as some have noted. Slight improvements to the bayld gear all around couldn't hurt in getting people to speed, either. I'd still want to see some kind of notification for people doing the right or wrong thing with these mobs, too. Because while I agree it's stupid there are a bunch of people basically circumventing rage by cheesing mobs for hours, I can't help but feel there might be other minor things we're missing.

[dasva]

I have fought moth 6 times now and every single time fight we have never had any issues with forcing it to spam exuviation 20 times. As drk I just spam through absorb spells, brds alternate requiem/elegy, mages cast bio. I think in each fight maybe 1-2 tp moves in the time it took to do 20 exuviation, weren't exuviation.

Seems unlikely that I can do that many fights and never have the issue, nor has anyone else I've spoken to who has also done the fight in the last 2 days.

Also, most NMs have 400-600k hp, not 1million

Meh we did but only fought 3 times. Didn't see much in the way of other moves either just was being lwme on using anything for a few minutes. Just telling ya it isn't the same experience for everyone so saying it should be dead in an amount of time other people still have it at 100% doesn't always work especially with the idiots out there sucking more than you would think. And yes I was exaggerating a little on the hps lol. It's still a lot

[NynJa]

I have to agree with him

[12:17:30]A monster appears!
[12:17:48]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:18:04]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:18:15]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:18:23]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:18:40]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:18:47]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:18:58]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:19:03]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:19:15]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:19:29]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:19:35]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:19:47]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:20:01]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:20:11]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:20:21]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:20:45]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:20:50]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:20:56]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:21:02]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:21:12]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:21:17]Tax'et readies Fire Break.
[12:21:27]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:21:33]Tax'et readies Exuviation.
[12:21:51]Tax'et readies Proboscis.

I thought it would take a while too

[Rocl]

idk what the fuck we did wrong last night then, cuz it took about 10minutes before it used Exuviation enough to appreciably remove the -DT; spamming flash/bio/helix/atk down etc motherfucker Erosion Dust and Magma Fan like nobody's business tho

perhaps it's a simple case of suck less and needing 8 song bards

[Byrthnoth]

Were you also meleeing it? My group reported that Exuviation was still a normal TP move, so he'll still need to get 300 TP at ~100% HP before he uses it.

[NynJa]

Yeah, if youre not giving it TP, its not gonna use TP

[Rocl]

Were you also meleeing it? My group reported that Exuviation was still a normal TP move, so he'll still need to get 300 TP at ~100% HP before he uses it.

Yeah, he was TPing very often since I figured that was the case and told people to melee, but it didn't favour Exuviation the way we were expecting and did other random shit WS. Once it started using Exuviation though it did seem to favour the WS more, but I'd say the first 5min or so it didn't use Exuviation more than two or three times.

[Byrthnoth]

Err... debuffs have to be the element of the day! Solved!

[Rocl]

Not saying there's a secondary gimmick on top of the Exuviation one, but agreeing with dasva there's some diceroll involved! :<

[NynJa]

Official translation says theyre not adjusting bead drop rate lol. "We want people to invite newcomers to participate and fight the content so they can get gear"wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

cmon man, theyre admitting the fights are meant to be challenging as fuck with 18 skilled coordinated people, and yet insist in bringing in random scrubs to let them get shit too?

[chichicha]

after reading Slycer post, my initial impression:

"Good Strat." player groups << "FU ! I am done" << Big Big Gap >> "help us?!?" >> New People !
Balance of Game << "Hours of Fight ! << ???? >> "15mins" >> Zerk style only! Fek Balance!
Yay! PLD back in place << 1 week joy<< SE Think for Congestion >> Screw PLD Joy >> DDs only!

They do all the enmity work, all the adjustment and etc.
Now, Delve is back to Square 1, let's zerk !