Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[jimbobsonofgod]

The reason they gave for beads not being 100% is bullshit, also if they wanted people to fight more delve mobs outside they should have considered at least removing the plasma value from eating because lets face it who's gonna pop a mob and not care about winning when you can just eat it for 100/150 points and call it a day .......

[Damane]

after reading Slycer post, my initial impression:

"Good Strat." player groups << "FU ! I am done" << Big Big Gap >> "help us?!?" >> New People !
Balance of Game << "Hours of Fight ! << ???? >> "15mins" >> Zerk style only! Fek Balance!
Yay! PLD back in place << 1 week joy<< SE Think for Congestion >> Screw PLD Joy >> DDs only!

They do all the enmity work, all the adjustment and etc.
Now, Delve is back to Square 1, let's zerk !

I do agree that the enmity fix is kind of redundant considering how delve has developed now and pld have like no place in it ecxept for some fights. The fix isnt totally invane. you can just hold now enmity for 1 min instead of 10 sec before it turns to DDs! Keep in mind there are more enmity fixes comeing along. I am just hopeing that the Elemental magic update will bring Nukeing up on par with melees haveing the new weapons....

[macross]

Why the fuck would I bring noobs when i'm trying to farm beads to do the boss. Shitty drop rate means I already gotta kill 10 of them to see one drop, I don't need it slowed down by bringing undergeared peeps.

Also 20 min thing is fine, I don't need noobs holding the mobs for 5 hours when I need to kill em to farm beads as well.

[dasva]

Yeah it seems like a lot of the nms are harder for 1 group then other after reading reports on here. Holy fuck those exuviations started so much sooner than any of the fights I was in makes me almost certain there is something else. Knwoing SE they probably did something lame like colo rate or how many people doing certian coalitions. I noticed the few fights I've gotten to standbye and watch while we wait our turn other people having similarly difficult time as us.

[macross]

Never had a problem with exuv not going off, kileld it millions of times.

[Rocl]

I find it highly unlikely you've killed it millions of times.

[Fwahm]

I can attest to Tax'et sometimes refusing to use Exuviation. My last run he had >5 enfeebles on him the whole time, and he used Erratic Flutter >8 times in a row after only 11 Exuviations.

[dasva]

Never had a problem with exuv not going off, kileld it millions of times.

I'm very glad you haven't and for those others that haven't. But for those of us it hasn't used it so easily (and yes I admit I might be an outlier) it's a problem. So you can keep bragging about how easy you had it but some of us are having mobs that aren't as easy. And you and everyone else stating how easy yours was wont change that fact nor help us to kill it. Perhaps random extra info between the people having it hard and those having it easy? Types of debuffs used? Colo rate/server idk

[Jem]

If Exuv isn't going off then quit that one and repop it. If it keeps happening then it's something you're doing wrong.

All we do is have the mages spam debuffs on it, whatever they have available and the melees use WS'es with add effects on them (So basically Herculean + Gekko + Shijin). Usually it takes ~2 mins to have him use Exuviation 20 times and then 3-4 mins to kill after that.

We kill it inside fracture but I don't think it makes a difference

[Aumaan_Kujata]

When I did the wamoura with a shout group a few days ago it started out not using exuviation much, maybe 1/4 of the tp moves, and that was with bio, poison, few other standard debuffs. When I started doing the frost/rasp/drown trio, it switched over to exuviation nearly 100% of the time. Wish I remember the game day, because element-of-day wouldn't really surprise me. But regardless, it seems likely there's some gimmick around particular debuffs that may or may not change between pops.

[Fake]

The reason they gave for beads not being 100% is bullshit, also if they wanted people to fight more delve mobs outside they should have considered at least removing the plasma value from eating because lets face it who's gonna pop a mob and not care about winning when you can just eat it for 100/150 points and call it a day .......

Making it so that eating shards doesn't give plasm won't make the slightest difference in how many field NMs are popped. What they should do is make NMs give significantly more plasm than they currently do so they are competative to fracture fodder farming plasm/hr and better for a good group.

[jimbobsonofgod]

Making it so that eating shards doesn't give plasm won't make the slightest difference in how many field NMs are popped.

Cant pop field NMs without shards which you either have to A) farm your own, wasting the time you could have been popping them. B) buy them from the AH. If you cant eat the shards people will probably toss them all on the AH, but now you have people buying them off the AH for the sole purpose of eating them.

Even if they had 5x the plasma return wont negate the fact that people are setting getting them/buying them and wasting them.

Do agree they should be worth more points when killed outside though.

[NynJa]

Cant pop field NMs without shards which you either have to A) farm your own, wasting the time you could have been popping them. B) buy them from the AH. If you cant eat the shards people will probably toss them all on the AH, but now you have people buying them off the AH for the sole purpose of eating them.

Even if they had 5x the plasma return wont negate the fact that people are setting getting them/buying them and wasting them.

Do agree they should be worth more points though.

You're making it sound like Shard drop rate is atrocious.

Considering you can spend 45 minutes in a shout fracture and wind up with ~4k plasm, why would someone spend 2 mil gil for the same result?

[Fake]

Cant pop field NMs without shards which you either have to A) farm your own, wasting the time you could have been popping them. B) buy them from the AH. If you cant eat the shards people will probably toss them all on the AH, but now you have people buying them off the AH for the sole purpose of eating them.

Even if they had 5x the plasma return wont negate the fact that people are setting getting them/buying them and wasting them.

Do agree they should be worth more points when killed outside though.

I fail to see your point. I said it won't affect how many field NMs people pop and kill. You're just stating that people are using shards for 100-150 plasm

Looking at my servers AH right now there is at least 10 of every shard for Morimar and Ceizak (in most cases at least 25 shards) and 5-15 of everything in Foret. People aren't going to think its a good idea to go and pop the Chapuli just because there is 800 shards on server at 100gil per.

[jimbobsonofgod]

Considering you can spend 45 minutes in a shout fracture and wind up with ~4k plasm, why would someone spend 2 mil gil for the same result?

You'd be surprised there's a guy on this server who's dropping 1-1.2 mil on beads and 100k-120k on shards just to eat them (literally stood right next to him and watched it).

[NynJa]

You'd be surprised there's a guy on this server who's dropping 1-1.2 mil on beads and 100k-120k on shards just to eat them (literally stood right next to him and watched it).

So then go farm shards and profit off the moron...he's going to not need any plasm at some point. Sounds like ridiculously easy gil

[lolwut]

I've been farming them between reives/tags to cash in on the early rush. They drop pretty fast and at 100-120k a pop I don't care if people eat them, use them, or carpet their MH with them. If groups really cared about having them to pop, they could easily have a few members farming while the rest were being shouted up/gathering. What usually happens is that people want to sell/eat their own, and everyone shows up empty handed.

Next time shout for people and say they must have a shard to join. No different from shouting up a Shuala or requiring people have 6 tags for VW. It's a simple solution, and doesn't ruin it for everyone else.

[Obsidian]

Will also recommend you filter out folks without the bivouacs (or clipper, I guess) for Hennetiel/Morimar. Spent two hours gathering for the Peiste last night because one guy didn't have any of the waypoints. He took too long to run through the opened Reives too, so we ended up trying to tractor him through but they closed up behind us as well, so we had to dump him. Same deal with the next guy who joined.

It's like Abyssea confluxes on steroids.

[dasva]

If Exuv isn't going off then quit that one and repop it. If it keeps happening then it's something you're doing wrong.

All we do is have the mages spam debuffs on it, whatever they have available and the melees use WS'es with add effects on them (So basically Herculean + Gekko + Shijin). Usually it takes ~2 mins to have him use Exuviation 20 times and then 3-4 mins to kill after that.

We kill it inside fracture but I don't think it makes a difference

For the sake of redundancy... no. There have been like 4 people now saying they have had difficulties too. Your personal experience and that of a few others clearly isn't the only thing it does. All 7 pops I've done have yet to have it start using exuv in less than 2 min. Telling people they should basically quit every single fight because the nm doesn't do the same thing yours did is silly. There is clearly something else besides just throw debuffs in general up. I'd guess the ws ones probably work better but convincing more than a couple of people my group that using ws early wont effect there ability to ws a couple of minutes down the line is difficult to say the least.

Side note one of the ones we did last night just seemed to stop using it which was a first. Like so far each pop once it started to used it almost exclusively but this one stopped. Now at first could probably blame it on people trying to figure out how to brd rotate when we got to almost 20 when they hadn't done so in forever or possibly ever and the other mages forgetting to continue... but even after that when I yelled at them all to continue it stayed like that and didn't get the last 3 exuv's for another 3 minutes after started spamming again wasting most of the brd rotation and probably what caused our loss that time.

[dasva]

Cant pop field NMs without shards which you either have to A) farm your own, wasting the time you could have been popping them. B) buy them from the AH. If you cant eat the shards people will probably toss them all on the AH, but now you have people buying them off the AH for the sole purpose of eating them.

Even if they had 5x the plasma return wont negate the fact that people are setting getting them/buying them and wasting them.

Do agree they should be worth more points when killed outside though.

The gil for that is atrocious... that said you already see plenty of them up to eat so the pops are there to be had if you want them... so how would have even more result in more popping? Especially since alot are eatten in the field when they have a chance to get more... ie cleaving for plasm or reiving. Not being able to eat them would actually result in less shards obtained unless people toss them in the field lol and just a small increase in the amount of shards retained. And I bet you if the ah gets flooded enough people would be tossing or npc them alot too like most of logwatch lol