Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[Kincard]

Some weapons like Twashtar will probably be replaced by Delve weapons, at least in the mainhand.

Based on his example, it seems to me that all the Empyreans are about to get knocked down, Relics will pretty much universally beat Empyreans, and Mythics will be stronger than ever when in their element.

[Washburn]

Annihilator.

[Shenrien]

I can't wait for this to be left on the back burner like Cait Sith.

[Jem]

Based on his example, it seems to me that all the Empyreans are about to get knocked down, Relics will pretty much universally beat Empyreans, and Mythics will be stronger than ever when in their element.

I think it's going to be more of a boost for any weapon that relies on their R/E/M WS. Since the proportional gain for those WS'es is more than for a merit WS.

Annihilator.

If the guns released this update are anything to go by, I'd imagine the boost to Yoichi is far greater than the boost to Anni. and I say that as someone who has Anni but not Yoichi

[Kincard]

I can't wait for this to be left on the back burner like Cait Sith.

Given all the analdevastation that he's witnessed over the last week while he was prepping this response I'm going to guess he's making this a pretty high priority.

[dasva]

Lol I'd laugh if the upgrade involves trading in delve mega boss drops with the 99 weapon. Ok kids let's take the D off here and paste it onto here and blamo new weapon

[Byrthnoth]

Looks to me like this is how it will shake out:
* Mythics are going to get a huge boost in situations where they're viable. Burtgang and Tizona can spam CDC. Conqueror can spam Ukko's. Strongest Aftermath. Comparable DPS. Highest Base Damage. Access to all WSs. If they actually implement the planned changes, Mythics will be waaay up there in terms of damage.

Offhands and weapons for when AM3 isn't viable:
* 2H Empyreans that spammed their WS (mostly Ukonvasara, maybe Masamune) will still be respectable due to AM.
* 1H Empyreans or Empyreans with "Utility WSs" will be worth 99ing in WoE for WS access. (Blade: Hi, Victory Smite, CDC, Rudra's Storm, Wild Fire, etc.)
* If you can wear a Relic, that's probably your best bet.
* Assuming the main-hand restrictions still apply, offhand weapons should almost always be the new Delve drops.

[Seha]

If woe weapons unlock the ws but empies don't I'm gonna flip quite a few chairs!

[Jem]

Did they say they were still planning to make the WS'es unlockable even with the huge damage boosts? Or was it just the Empy WS'es from WoE weapons?

[Kincard]

* If you can wear a Relic, that's probably your best bet.

http://boards.adultswim.com/t5/image...=mpbl-1&px=600

yeah that's pretty much what i concluded

now i gotta get a kikoku too

[solracht]

Are they actually letting you use E/R WSs regardless of weapon? Figured this was a new plan to replace that one, rather than something to go along with it.

[fantasticdan]

They only said coin weapons will be able unlock emp ws. Would be extremely retarded if they don't allow emp weapons to unlock the ws the same way.

[Eanae]

Yeah I wouldn't jump the gun until we have a translation.

[Kincard]

They only said coin weapons will be able unlock emp ws. Would be extremely retarded if they don't allow emp weapons to unlock the ws the same way.

Not at all, it's genius- more subscription fees from the time people are wasting in WoE.

[Seha]

Yeah I wouldn't jump the gun until we have a translation.

Chairs are still standing, didn't flip them yet, don't worry!

[Ophannus]

Seems like theyre making Mythics stronger base DMG than relics now?


Also their proposed adjustments for BST/DRG/PUP/SMN is to enhance their pets via equipment....

BST=New Jug pet
DRG= Enhance Wyvern through new Polearms with +Wyvern stats
SMN=Enhance Avatar through new Grips with +Avatar stats
PUP=Enhance Automatons through new Animators with +Automaton stats


Seems lame for DRG since no DRG would forgo their Ryuno/Gungnir/Delve lance for a stupid Wyvern Attack+10 Lance unless it has nice base DMG/other stats as well.

[SargentRemora]

SMN=Enhance Avatar through new Grips with +Avatar stats

They really don't fucking get it do they? Unless there's a grip that bypasses the BP delay cap, this is going to do next to fuck all.

[Alkar]

Seems like theyre making Mythics stronger base DMG than relics now?


Also their proposed adjustments for BST/DRG/PUP/SMN is to enhance their pets via equipment....

BST=New Jug pet
DRG= Enhance Wyvern through new Polearms with +Wyvern stats
SMN=Enhance Avatar through new Grips with +Avatar stats
PUP=Enhance Automatons through new Animators with +Automaton stats


Seems lame for DRG since no DRG would forgo their Ryuno/Gungnir/Delve lance for a stupid Wyvern Attack+10 Lance unless it has nice base DMG/other stats as well.

/facepalm

[Wardeniii]

Seems like theyre making Mythics stronger base DMG than relics now?


Also their proposed adjustments for BST/DRG/PUP/SMN is to enhance their pets via equipment....

BST=New Jug pet
DRG= Enhance Wyvern through new Polearms with +Wyvern stats

Seems lame for DRG since no DRG would forgo their Ryuno/Gungnir/Delve lance for a stupid Wyvern Attack+10 Lance unless it has nice base DMG/other stats as well.

SE: "We're about to massively upgrade the base damage on all end-game/storyline weapons. But for the low low penalty of a loss of 50 base damage, accuracy, and attack, your wyvern can have DT-25%. Eh? EHHHHH?

[Taint]

Looks to me like this is how it will shake out:
* Mythics are going to get a huge boost in situations where they're viable. Burtgang and Tizona can spam CDC. Conqueror can spam Ukko's. Strongest Aftermath. Comparable DPS. Highest Base Damage. Access to all WSs. If they actually implement the planned changes, Mythics will be waaay up there in terms of damage.

Offhands and weapons for when AM3 isn't viable:
* 2H Empyreans that spammed their WS (mostly Ukonvasara, maybe Masamune) will still be respectable due to AM.
* 1H Empyreans or Empyreans with "Utility WSs" will be worth 99ing in WoE for WS access. (Blade: Hi, Victory Smite, CDC, Rudra's Storm, Wild Fire, etc.)
* If you can wear a Relic, that's probably your best bet.
* Assuming the main-hand restrictions still apply, offhand weapons should almost always be the new Delve drops.

Obviously its speculation at this point.

AM Superiority is Relic > Emp > Mythic? Or do I have the last 2 mixed up? If its Relic > Mythic > Emp then Mythics just got a huge boost. Koga spamming Fudo....Conq spamming Ukko's etc.