Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[Obsidian]

Torcleaver?

[Toth]

Very pleased with all this information. I have two 90 coin weapons (the sword and gun) and I will happily take them to 99 to unlock the WS. It finally gives them a true purpose IMHO (I never took gun past 90 because WF and the sword I just did not prioritize).

Love that pets and my automaton will get some nice buffs as well.

And of course, FINALLY AF for Geo and Run!

Matsui is really doing his best to appease everyone and I applaud him.

[dasva]

Re: Obsidian

That's the only thing I can think of.



It gives MAB+40 and may give Attack/Acc/Ranged Attack beyond what you'd expect from the stats, but that wouldn't save avatars either. It would make them better at what they're good at, but not save them. They need something like 50% Haste or double base damage.

Ah basically you want them to be the undisputed king of pets?

[Eanae]

Ukko,Fudo,Smite,Hi,Torcleaver,JR all just became must haves.

Koga SAM spamming Fudo will be broken as hell. Or hell Yoichi SAM spamming JR.

You can come keep me company on GKT trials now and use your stupid luck to make them pop. \o/

[Toth]

The next update looks like it is going to be quite meaty.

Skirmish Tier 2
Wildskeeper Tier 2 (that are 10 levels higher in difficulty according to Matsui)
New Revies
(New zone(s) incoming for these....?)
Elemental magic revision
GEO/RUN AF and merits
Pet adjustments
Maybe....Tier 2 SPs...?

I look forward to it and hope it is only a month away However, based on what they are saying about the REM changes, I would say that adjustment is at least 3 months away.

[dasva]

I'm just happy I can machine crossbow wildfire for shits and giggles

[Jem]

Ugh indirect DRK nerf from Empy WS'es being unlockable. I imagine it's the same deal for DRG, THF and DNC too? Since WAR, SAM and MNK are going to be getting a decent boost from it.

Nice to see an effective buff for jobs like NIN, PLD, BLU, etc though.

[Kaisha]

Wouldn't surprise me if they make Emp WS share the same WS 'slot' as a Relic/Emp, to prevent 'unbalance' by using Emp WS with the other legendary weaps.

[Byrthnoth]

Ah basically you want them to be the undisputed king of pets?

No, but I want their pets to have high enough DPS that they can keep hate off an afk SMN. Right now they do not, and just Stats+70 isn't going to make it the case either.

To think about it another way, SMN is the worst meleer of any pet job and the only pets worse than their Avatars are Wyverns.

[Jeryhn]

Since we know they don't pay attention to posts on the English forums, can anyone write up a question about job availability for reworked RME? There's a few additions they could be considering. They need to put newer jobs on relics and such.

I'd be happy if they put RUN on Ragnarok/Caladbolg and Bravura (thinking defensive relic for the Aftermath to improve their tankiness).

[Economizer]

If woe weapons unlock the ws but empies don't I'm gonna flip quite a few chairs!

Should be 90 Empyrean or 99 Coin weapon for the weapon skill, although at least Coin weapons would have a use if they were the only way to unlock the weapon skill.

I'm somewhat doubting they'll go this route though, since most 99 Coin weapon holders seem to be JP...

Myrkr and Dagan accessible on any club or staff? CDC on any sword? Sounds like coin weapons just climbed a notch in my priority list...

I'm going to start doing the Staff trials I think, especially if I can convince some friends to do it with me so they'd have it too (since I don't play Staff jobs as much).

On Dagan, it always has been a WS that was so situational that tying it to a weapon (despite the mods, especially since there is no damage reduction on said weapon) was somewhat silly. But tied to any club? I could justify it even if 9/10 I'd rather use Mythic Boon. I wonder how effective White Mage with a shield could be at tanking with Dagan...

Wildfire is another interesting one, as are all the big must have WS.

[Chamaan]

Ukko's with my Bravura? Someone up there likes me.

[Jem]

Ukko's with my Bravura? Someone up there likes me.

Not as much as the people with Conqueror!


I really wish they would make Scythe relevant again

[Obsidian]

Not as much as the people with Conqueror!


I really wish they would make Scythe relevant again

I don't know what you mean. Quietus on a Liberator will be utterly devastating.

[dasva]

No, but I want their pets to have high enough DPS that they can keep hate off an afk SMN. Right now they do not, and just Stats+70 isn't going to make it the case either.

To think about it another way, SMN is the worst meleer of any pet job and the only pets worse than their Avatars are Wyverns.

True that's why I meantioned acc/att etc. If they bump those they would have ever stat higher than every pet except att speed. 50% would far outstrip others att speed. Which would end allow avatars to melee way better than other pets while still bping... especially if stacked with pet gear haste and garuda hastega. I think adding along a lower delay comparable to the other pets would be more baranced since it is kinda too high now

Also what are you doing to get hate afk lol?

[Obsidian]

True that's why I meantioned acc/att etc. If they bump those they would have ever stat higher than every pet except att speed. 50% would far outstrip others att speed. Which would end allow avatars to melee way better than other pets while still bping... especially if stacked with pet gear haste and garuda hastega. I think adding along a lower delay comparable to the other pets would be more baranced since it is kinda too high now

Also what are you doing to get hate afk lol?

I don't see why avatars shouldn't do twice the damage of the other pets; SMNs do less than half the damage of every other pet "master."

[Byrthnoth]

True that's why I meantioned acc/att etc. If they bump those they would have ever stat higher than every pet except att speed. 50% would far outstrip others att speed. Which would end allow avatars to melee way better than other pets while still bping... especially if stacked with pet gear haste and garuda hastega. I think adding along a lower delay comparable to the other pets would be more baranced since it is kinda too high now

Also what are you doing to get hate afk lol?

Not literally AFK, but anytime you do anything. Both the master and the pet have 0 enmity most of the time. They need to increase Avatar DPS. They can do this by doubling base damage and reducing delay a little or halving delay and leaving base damage untouched. I would prefer delay reduction because (as you said), it works well with Hastega and also it lets the avatar make actions more often. Then they will be able to have hate more often even if they do not have positive enmity.

[fantasticdan]

Ukko,Fudo,Smite,Hi,Torcleaver,JR all just became must haves.

Koga SAM spamming Fudo will be broken as hell. Or hell Yoichi SAM spamming JR.

Am I missing something? Why would sam get access to jishnu's?

[InsaniacTHF]

I don't think there is any way EMP WS + Mythic AM3 will ever make it into our hands.

[dasva]

Not literally AFK, but anytime you do anything. Both the master and the pet have 0 enmity most of the time. They need to increase Avatar DPS. They can do this by doubling base damage and reducing delay a little or halving delay and leaving base damage untouched. I would prefer delay reduction because (as you said), it works well with Hastega and also it lets the avatar make actions more often. Then they will be able to have hate more often even if they do not have positive enmity.

Yeah I have the same problem using jugs now if I don't snarl. That said iirc the math came out to barely eatting all the CE right now while still keeping some VE. Doubling it would be a bit much.