Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[solracht]

Seems lame for DRG since no DRG would forgo their Ryuno/Gungnir/Delve lance for a stupid Wyvern Attack+10 Lance unless it has nice base DMG/other stats as well.

Wild guess (and late), but I imagine the new Ryuno/Gugnir will have Wyvern stats on it. The way I understood it is all new weapons moving forward will help the wyvern too but maybe this is just hopeful thinking.

[dasva]

I don't see why avatars shouldn't do twice the damage of the other pets; SMNs do less than half the damage of every other pet "master."

Total dps sure mostly on board with that. Maybe a little less since ya know being able to stay out of danger. But double the melee with acess to bps not so much. Unless they finally make bst moves and wyvern breaths not suck balls lol.

Speaking of jugs sucking... tried a couple in delve yesterday... my bst parsed pretty decent for not having a cor and missing haste most the time and songs a lot. But my jug had like 5% acc at best. Like using the stp move and 1hr with af2 pants I'd get enough tp for a move 2-3 times per run... and most of that was from dmg taken <.<

[Fake]

Its SAM dicksucking hour again, Koga with Fudo is probably going to put it at the top. Mythic Drg won't really be gaining an extra useful WS for mythic, just the base damage/stats.

Main mythic to watch would be glanzfaust though, the 60%~ increase in base damage is going to put you in realms of "will WSing lower my DPS" in capped haste situations.

[Jem]

I'd imagine that Conqueror gets just as much from the update as Koga since Ukko's is a superior WS to Fudo.

[Obsidian]

With access to Hi/CDC, Murgleis/Nagi/Burtgang/Tizona suddenly become a lot less terrible (well, Murgleis still sucks).

[dannyl]

Myrkr and Dagan accessible on any club or staff? CDC on any sword? Sounds like coin weapons just climbed a notch in my priority list...

YUPP !

[Obsidian]

Total dps sure mostly on board with that. Maybe a little less since ya know being able to stay out of danger. But double the melee with acess to bps not so much. Unless they finally make bst moves and wyvern breaths not suck balls lol.

Speaking of jugs sucking... tried a couple in delve yesterday... my bst parsed pretty decent for not having a cor and missing haste most the time and songs a lot. But my jug had like 5% acc at best. Like using the stp move and 1hr with af2 pants I'd get enough tp for a move 2-3 times per run... and most of that was from dmg taken <.<

Er, yes, I was referring to overall DPS and not specifically doubling white damage, haha.

I think the only pets able to reliably hit Delve mobs currently are automatons. My SMN isn't great but without idling in the AF neck I don't think my avatars would ever gain TP.

[Fake]

I'd imagine that Conqueror gets just as much from the update as Koga since Ukko's is a superior WS to Fudo.

It likely gains a similar/slightly better boost but it was already a ways behind Koga, you've also got to consider the additional DPS loss from maitaining AM3.

[Cream Soda]

hmm, stock up on devious die/lim residue before all the bazaars come back from afk and jack the prices up?

[dasva]

With access to Hi/CDC, Murgleis/Nagi/Burtgang/Tizona suddenly become a lot less terrible (well, Murgleis still sucks).

What you talking bout Willis? Melee rdm is totally viable now . Now that I think about it though unlocking empyrean could make some tp bonus better. At least the ones not tied to magain lvl base dmg

[Kincard]

Honestly Shun and Hi were about on par if you were fighting anything you'd use NIN on. Hi won by a little bit but they were about equal. Hi went crazy on stuff that NIN sucks on like high-level, high defense stuff, but it's not like NIN gets any use on those. The recent additions in armor were actually a really big buff for Shun (Big hybrid STR/DEX/attack stuff).

What will help Nagi more is that they'll adjust mythics so that they'll have appropriate D ratings to their delay. Nagi will still be mediocre if they don't make Blade: Kamu not a total piece of shit though.

[Toth]

hmm, stock up on devious die/lim residue before all the bazaars come back from afk and jack the prices up?

Nothing is final yet and the earliest we will see this is probably 2 months.

[dasva]

Wont delve gkt still be good if ionis save tp goes up?

[macross]

Bet you'll need to kill boss nakuul for a drop, then get 500k plasma to buy some item and 1m byald to buy super grease +1, then skirmish and get 100+2 stones to turn in.

[Selamis]

I wonder, with the change in base damage to the 99 versions, if they will scale backwards too to adjust for 95 and 90 versions or just have a crazy jump from 95 to new final plan at 99. Either way, time to realistically look at getting my Ukon from 90 to 99 now. Not thrilled about doing sword path again to get a 99 coin version of my Almace to use CDC, but there is no way I'm gonna upgrade both of those from 90 lol.

[Zirael]

I wonder, with the change in base damage to the 99 versions, if they will scale backwards too to adjust for 95 and 90 versions or just have a crazy jump from 95 to new final plan at 99. Either way, time to realistically look at getting my Ukon from 90 to 99 now. Not thrilled about doing sword path again to get a 99 coin version of my Almace to use CDC, but there is no way I'm gonna upgrade both of those from 90 lol.

If I see things correctly, Matsui said there will be one big jump. WoE weapons info looks nice, BUT, I've already made Twashtar for sub slot, don't tell me I'd have to make a junk alternative to unlock Rudra...

[Maksudyst]

Since coin weapons were originally just intended to be used for Empyrean weapon skills, based on the concept, I believe that instead of reworking them, they can be used to open the dedicated weapon skills (with certain level and job restrictions). We are currently considering the adjustment procedures necessary for this..

Am I misreading this, or does it seem that the ws's will be locked to the coin weapon?

[Jem]

I think it's just you. The fact that he mentions level and job restrictions reinforces that (i.e. no unlocking Jishnu's and using it on SAM)

[calinz]

So.. Matsui said in the same post that he's adjusting R/E/M and making it obsolete again with the next set of Naakuals/Delve 2? Or am I misunderstanding this... coz he clearly states that equipment will continue to rise in terms of stats. And weapons ARE equipment:

The equipment to be added later in Adoulin will of course be equippable at level 99, but the level of the equipment parameters would be even higher to match the content level (for example, similar to what level 110 or 120 equipment might look like).

Does he plan to revise R/E/M with each update that tops them...?

[Taint]

Wont delve gkt still be good if ionis save tp goes up?

The Fracture Trex GKT will still be nasty. Ugu will get trounced by Amano/Masa. Koga will be insane after the update.