Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[fantasticdan]

Why wouldn't there be a reason? Emps were powerful due to the ODD aftermath which isn't unlockable.

They will probably lose to most mythics but mythics are equivilent to the worth of 2~ 99 emps/relics (not just in gil but the time it takes to complete assaults/tokens).

Emp upgrade materials are going to go way up in price thou if there's less and less people doing VW, and more reason to actually upgrade them.

Mythics aside thou, a 99 relic is going to be notable easier/cheaper to make than a 99 emp, and most of them will be better. Sword, gsword, scythe, gun, bow, axe, dagger, katana, polearm, club, staff... I'm pretty sure all of these will win easy over the emp equivalent. Only emps that seem like they would beat relics are great katana, great axe, and maybe h2h, and even there, the damage difference is probably negligible, and the relics have utility the emps don't.

[Fake]

If they make all Empyreans have lower D rating than Relics than most of them are going to be worse, especially considering how you'll be able to do their WS on any weapon.

We've seen 1 example of what might happen to the weapons, its too early to start making that assumption given how R/E had basically identical base damage at 99.

[Indalecia]

And I heard things about their sheep.


Just sayin'

[Fake]

Emp upgrade materials are going to go way up in price thou if there's less and less people doing VW, and more reason to actually upgrade them.

Mythics aside thou, a 99 relic is going to be notable easier/cheaper to make than a 99 emp, and most of them will be better. Sword, gsword, scythe, gun, bow, axe, dagger, katana, polearm, club, staff... I'm pretty sure all of these will win easy over the emp equivalent. Only emps that seem like they would beat relics are great katana, great axe, and maybe h2h, and even there, the damage difference is probably negligible, and the relics have utility the emps don't.

If emps remain desirable then there will still be a drive to go out and farm uptalas/ig alima/etc. The desire to 99 harp should never subside.

I'm not suggesting the price won't go up, but if it goes way up then everyone will jump on the bandwagon until some equilibrium is found.

[Draylo]

When will smn get Bahamut!

[StatikGP]

Am i the only one who thinks its kinda messed up that a huge majority of people were able to run through NNI and claim a Thaumas Coat etc with relative ease, just for SE to patch it and the remainder 10% gets screwed over with a impossible mission to obtain the item? Really SE? the damage has basically already been done, all your doing now is irritating the people who will never get a Thaumas Coat now by making it near impossible to clear floor 100. Similar issue happend with Relics.... Everyone and there mom has one, except for some people who maybe were {taking a break} during that time, and now they missed out... if you think something is too easy to obtain, but the majority of users have already abused the system, atleast patch it to where its still moderatley possible to get the item. I dont care so much for the Relics, as i still see they are at the right difficulty to obtain (assuming their stats get fixed post Delve update)... But Thomaus Coat and other Top tier items of NNI are basically impossible to obtain now.


-Been playing since PC launch.. over 600 days play time... so take my words as you will...

[Seha]

Nyzul Uncharted is actually now easier than it was before.

[Toth]

Am i the only one who thinks its kinda messed up that a huge majority of people were able to run through NNI and claim a Thaumas Coat etc with relative ease, just for SE to patch it and the remainder 10% gets screwed over with a impossible mission to obtain the item? Really SE? the damage has basically already been done, all your doing now is irritating the people who will never get a Thaumas Coat now by making it near impossible to clear floor 100. Similar issue happend with Relics.... Everyone and there mom has one, except for some people who maybe were {taking a break} during that time, and now they missed out... if you think something is too easy to obtain, but the majority of users have already abused the system, atleast patch it to where its still moderatley possible to get the item. I dont care so much for the Relics, as i still see they are at the right difficulty to obtain (assuming their stats get fixed post Delve update)... But Thomaus Coat and other Top tier items of NNI are basically impossible to obtain now.


-Been playing since PC launch.. over 600 days play time... so take my words as you will...

What? You only need 5 floor 80 clears to get one or just have a lucky run with high jumps. Not impossible at all.

[Kincard]

Yeah, a friend of mine was able to clear up to F100 a few times- he's like the most casual player I know. He uses a Hoarfrost Blade and doesn't even have full AF3+2.

[Buffy]

RME changes are good. The possible ability to use relic WS while having empy aftermath is very very interesting.

[Obsidian]

Uh, did you get your words mixed up there? I can think of exactly one relic weaponskill maybe worth using over its Empyrean counterpart and that would be Catastrophe, and who the hell has Redemption?

[Fake]

Tachi: Kaiten is better than Fudo at 100tp, Mercy Stroke shits on everything with SA or TA, both ranged relic WS are extremely useful. Not exactly 1 WS

[lolwut]

The post specifically said they were updating the weapons instead of unlocking the weapon skills with the exception of the Empyrean coin weapon, so why even discuss it?

[Byrthnoth]

With +40% damage, those statements are true-ish. SE hasn't mentioned unlocking Relic WSs, so it's up to speculation whether or not they'd be unlocked with their +40% damage.

[CraftKing]

I don't think they should upgrade RME. I had my relic before you could spam dynamis everyday. It was sad coming back to the game seeing the most garbage players with relics. People should be careful what they wish for because that means somebody is gonna have to waste 2hrs a day farming coins. When original relic owners got relics it took a lot. Killing animated weapons that warped, poppin att during run, buying m silvers for 4m... It's like they gave away relics and I believe they should let them die and introduce some legendary weapons with weapon skills that don't suck. I'm tired of these scrubs saying "my relic is dead" cry me a river if you're good you will get whatever new weapon they introduce. For all the dumb people crying over relics check this out. I rather spam plasm then farm any dynamis zone for 2hrs a day.. Want more empys? That means people will still have to do VW so hmps are available. People basically f'd themselves crying over weapons that are old as hell now.

[dasva]

RME changes are good. The possible ability to use relic WS while having empy aftermath is very very interesting.

If that happens sure but that wasn't in the proposal

[Fake]

With +40% damage, those statements are true-ish. SE hasn't mentioned unlocking Relic WSs, so it's up to speculation whether or not they'd be unlocked with their +40% damage.

Obviously all the relic WS are only relevant if they are looked at with +40% damage, even something as unique as cata without the boost would be a stretch.

I was merely correcting the statement about only 1 relic WS being superior or situationally superior to Emp WS's (and merit WS)

[Sho]

When will smn get Bahamut!

Never. Worry about harder problems to solve. Like fixing Tourbillion.

[dasva]

Tachi: Kaiten is better than Fudo at 100tp, Mercy Stroke shits on everything with SA or TA, both ranged relic WS are extremely useful. Not exactly 1 WS

Also situational bow/gun.

[dejet]

If that happens sure but that wasn't in the proposal

Well there is nothing that will stop you. Use the emp ws once(with the emp wep).then use the relic from there on