Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[Malithar]

IT DOESN'T PROVIDE SOMETHING BETTER THAN YOUR FUCKING 7 YEAR OLD GEAR. Then you quit and go on BG and cry about how the game is dead.

YES MAD.

Feel where you're coming from, but I think Matsui will find a middle ground. There's really two camps of thought; the "I spent so much time and money on RME, they HAVE to be good" and the "shits old, let it die." As long as Matsui finds the sweet spot where RME's are variable options in the endgame, along side whatever dropped, crafted, or bought weapons we come along, I can't imagine there being issues, other then the die hard "my RME is a special butterfly QQ" people who feel they should remain on top of the curve 110% of the time.

There was QQ when some Skirmish weapons got close/surpassed RMEs, but overall, it wasn't that bad. It was more from Nirvana being tied by +1 stones, and all the Bandwagnaroks, far as I saw. I think that wouldn't of been a bad environment as a whole for a longer period of time then a month. Got 99 RME? Cool, you're caught up with the curve, and maybe there's a slight buff for you by pursuing Skirmish. Lack 99 RME? Cool, run Skirmish, catch up with the curve, and lets all hold hands and be nearly equal.

The raging QQ came about when Delve weapons were released and utterly stomped anything prior. Very few RME's remained even close to what was possible with Delve weapons. That's not overly fair to of done without prior warning, IMO. RME content is old, but up until Delve, it was still relevant. All of those weapons were still the best you could strive for. Should they of been put in the ground with one swift update that made them seem like you were using lvl 1 weapons at 75? Prolly not. Is it about time they had some competition so that the player's outlook on the game is no longer RME or bust? I think so. And hopefully, this'll all balance out to such a state.

[Kincard]

It's partially SE's fault for making the game nothing but RME farming for like the past 2 years, to the point where it became one of the most important fixtures not just as an "event", but as part of the game's economy. Even casual players spent a large chunk of their playtime obtaining their weapons and nobody was going to take "I hope you liked those memories of you farming relics so you could farm more relics to farm more relics" as a reason to outdating them.

[Modoru]

So, on a side note, what's with today's emergency maint?

[solracht]

In yesterday's dev post Matsui said they'd be adjusting drop rates for skirmish body parts at the end of the week. Has to be that.

Also, as a plan to resolve the issue where Skirmish is not really connecting the content as was planned, we will be undergoing maintenance at the end of this week and making it so statue segments can be obtained from Colonization and Lair Reives at a set rate. (These adjustments are separate from the rules associated with obtaining these items via Coalition Assignments, HELM, and Soul Pyres.)

[Jem]

Someone in LS was looking at the census last night and quoting numbers. The number of Relics made in the last year was obscene. It was like 15600 or something stupid. Seeing those numbers I fully understand why the devs would think that outclassing them is fine. To them it looks like they are trifling easy to get and everyone has one so the whole player base is in the same boat.

But yeah, the rage didn't come them just being surpassed. It was also the size of the gap. If it had been 5-10% then I think there would have been far less complaints than the 25-40% we ended up with.

[JeanClaudVanDamme]

Someone in LS was looking at the census last night and quoting numbers. The number of Relics made in the last year was obscene. It was like 15600 or something stupid. Seeing those numbers I fully understand why the devs would think that outclassing them is fine. To them it looks like they are trifling easy to get and everyone has one so the whole player base is in the same boat.

But yeah, the rage didn't come them just being surpassed. It was also the size of the gap. If it had been 5-10% then I think there would have been far less complaints than the 25-40% we ended up with.

Why does the % even matter? We would all use the new end game weapon even if the margin was 5% better, therefore invalidating pretty much all the relics. The very fact that the dev decide to give YOU the PLAYERBASE that big of a jump in increase should have been a BLESSING. But the dumb shit playerbase complained instead.

Oh gee, the dev gave me a weapon that's pretty much 40-50% stronger than my relic and it only costs 30k points -- 2 days of farming. I know, LET`S COMPLAIN!

It`s almost as if you guys want another 10 years of marginal sidegrades that`s barely worth the effort.

Fucking ungrateful bastards, you guys.

[Kincard]

lol

[calinz]

I do NOT want to play a game for equipment. I want a game for exploration, story, and gear that will remain on top. That's the impression I got from XI when SE said: here are the mythic weapons - break your back working for them (50,000 Alexandrite originally might I add). It's not unreasonable at all to expect them to be best-in-slot forever. If they won't be, then they shouldn't have designed them so demanding. I have no more business here as I do not enjoy the gear grind. If you think a game like that doesn't exist, here's an example that fits all that: Guild Wars 1. SE can shove their vertical gear progression up where the sun doesn't shine. I'll just find another game like what XI used to be and what GW1 represents.

[JeanClaudVanDamme]

I do NOT want to play a game for equipment. I want a game for exploration, story, and gear that will remain on top. That's the impression I got from XI when SE said: here are the mythic weapons - break your back working for them (50,000 Alexandrite originally might I add). It's not unreasonable at all to expect them to be best-in-slot forever. If they won't be, then they shouldn't have designed them so demanding. I have no more business here as I do not enjoy the gear grind. If you think a game like that doesn't exist, here's an example that fits all that: Guild Wars 1. SE can shove their vertical gear progression up where the sun doesn't shine. I'll just find another game like what XI used to be and what GW1 represents.

Your post and reasoning have nothing to do with the itemization and issue at hand.

Gear progression takes nothing away from the story, and vice versa.

If you want a good storyline, go read a damn book. Massive online role playing games have always been about gear, gears, and more gear progression.

FFXI having a great story, lore, myths, and history are just icing on the cake for FF fans.

Just because Matsui put some 200D weapon in the game doesn`t magically make the storyline dissappear.

[Selamis]

Massive online role playing games have always been about gear, gears, and more gear progression.

Except, FFXI, where for ten years, the standard has been mostly forgotten about AH pieces they add each update, and marginal side grades for tp or ws pieces, that increase your damage output by 1%. The best things came as rewards from missions, or hnms, gods, etc. Until Abyssea, then you had to redo your gear for the new level increase, and even that wasn't hard to do, just took some time.

People aren't bitching about new gear, they are bitching because something they took time and money to make, that SE themselves adjusted over the years to make sure it was kept on top was so grossly outclassed overnight. Your earlier point about % is wrong, I am sorry. If they had released these new weapons and they were extremely hard to get, and maybe 20-30 damage more than a 99 REM, there probably wouldn't have been as much outrage.

[Ligray]

Looking at JP side Dev summary of the week, looks like Mog Bonanza announcement next week with those new kupons that were .dat mined as new prizes?

[Slycer]

Posting your opinions is great. Bashing the entire readership of the forum is not. Keep it civil, please.

[Kincard]

Looking at JP side Dev summary of the week, looks like Mog Bonanza announcement next week with those new kupons that were .dat mined as new prizes?

Let's take a guess to what they are!

Bonanza Kupon D
Bonanza Kupon De
Bonanza Kupon Sa
Bonanza Kupon Ny
Bonanza Kupon S5
Bonanza Kupon S2
Bonanza Kupon O

Well, I can guess that D or De will be Delve, but I'm actually kinda stumped on the other ones. Usually it's pretty easy to tell what all of them are.

[Obsidian]

Ny for Nyzul Isle would be my bet.

[Sudox]

Let's take a guess to what they are!

Bonanza Kupon D
Bonanza Kupon De
Bonanza Kupon Sa
Bonanza Kupon Ny
Bonanza Kupon S5
Bonanza Kupon S2
Bonanza Kupon O

Well, I can guess that D or De will be Delve, but I'm actually kinda stumped on the other ones. Usually it's pretty easy to tell what all of them are.

Sa being Salvage and Ny being Neo Nyzul I'd imagine.

[Kincard]

I was actually thinking S2 might be Salvage 2, dunno what that'd make Sa though.

[Obsidian]

What would S5 be then? I have a feeling the S#s are Skirmish items.

[Jem]

One of the S's could maybe be Sauro Meeble Burrows. Seems a long shot though. Probably looking at Salvage and Skirmish.

O could be Odin?

[dasva]

Can't wait to make my shadowlord 3 statue then combine it with my other 2 to form voltron

[Slycer]

My guesses mostly match what people are saying above:

D for Downs (Meeble Batallia Downs, B was already claimed by Dynamis Beauc items)
De for Delve
Sa for Sauro (Meeble Sauro)
Ny for Nyzul
S2 for Salvage 2
S5 for... uh...
O for Odin