Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[Darkmagi]

Melee RDM: probably more useful than a SMN.

[dasva]

Would you prefer single arrows with a .02% drop rate?

That would be even worse if I was actually shooting them ewwwwww. Unless you mean .02% droprate off of all delve mobs in individual pools for each person

[Hitou]

Pretty sure it was a reference to Akvan lol.

[dasva]

Oh I know it was. Hence my actually shooting them thing. Unless you are dumb and shoot your qd bullet lol. Guess could always just use it for a ws with unlimited

[noodles355]

@Dasva:

Why lolxbow? The Delve Xbow + Damascus bolts has significantly higher DPS than the Delve Gun + Damascus bullets. Xbow has 31.8 vs Gun's 24.1. There is only a 12DMG difference between the two combinations, but the Xbow has significantly faster delay.

At 75, Xbows also had better DPS. Obow + Darksteel Bolts have 14.4DPS, Hellfire+1 + Silver Bullets 11.5DPS
At 99, pre-SoA Gastraphetes had 22.4DPS vs Annihilator's 20.9 (Adman Bolt/Bullets). Gastra also had higher DPS at 75. That's not including the Snapshot on Gastra, nor the ODD/ODT on either weapon.

Xbows have always had better DPS than Guns. The reason for the surge in gun popularity is pretty much because of Coronach and Wildfire and after the update to REMC Wildfire should be accessible on Xbows anyway. There's also the benefit of being able to macro in Acid/Oxidant with an Xbow, but I didn't want to touch on it as realistically everything you use Rng on (tough NMs) it's unlikely to proc the defense down and if you have a bglu or a drg it won't matter anyway.

But yeah, lolXbow is only because of how easy it was/it became to get an Armageddon and Annihilator, and how unique and useful their special WSs are.

[Uzor]

Honestly, I think quivers will cost 2500 points each, with the weapons giving 12 quivers, effectively making each ammo cost 25.25 plasm each, or roughly 3000 Gil assuming the current airlixir price of 60k each.

[Alkar]

Melee RDM: probably more useful than a SMN.

That's for sure. With the new weapons it's likely better than most mages too.

[noodles355]

With all the great melee gear it has.

Isn't Smn useful now for Odin'ing Delve NMs at the start of the fight?

[Jem]

Not really, it barely lops off any HP at all. The one time we tried it with 4 or 5 SMNs it only did 8%. I think they all did roughly 4.5k so you're looking at less than a fully buffed in some cases.

[Tachi]

Odin is far from necessary for Delve but it's not exactly like his damage is weak.
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9999 + 2599 (BP damage +26%). I find the damage to be usually poor/terrible when multiple summoners perform Odin at the same time.

[Uzor]

To be fair; a melee will pull out more damage then that over the course of a fight.

[Rhiannon2]

Also to be fair, a SMN will pull out additional damage over the course of a fight assuming they bring an elixir after Odin'ing!

[Fake]

Smn at start of fight before gimmicks were known was obviously worthwhile, now its not even close to being worth a spot or the time it would take to change onto a real job after.

[Jem]

Smn at start of fight before gimmicks were known was obviously worthwhile, now its not even close to being worth a spot or the time it would take to change onto a real job after.

Pretty much this. Most DD's are going to be doing 10-15k damage in the opening 20 seconds if they start off with TP.

Usually our top 3-4 DD's end up in the 100-135k range on the parse. No way is a SMN coming anywhere remotely close to that in a 3-5 minute fight even with Odin.

That being said, we took a SMN to Kurma last night for Dispel.

[dasva]

@Dasva:

Why lolxbow? The Delve Xbow + Damascus bolts has significantly higher DPS than the Delve Gun + Damascus bullets. Xbow has 31.8 vs Gun's 24.1. There is only a 12DMG difference between the two combinations, but the Xbow has significantly faster delay.

At 75, Xbows also had better DPS. Obow + Darksteel Bolts have 14.4DPS, Hellfire+1 + Silver Bullets 11.5DPS
At 99, pre-SoA Gastraphetes had 22.4DPS vs Annihilator's 20.9 (Adman Bolt/Bullets). Gastra also had higher DPS at 75. That's not including the Snapshot on Gastra, nor the ODD/ODT on either weapon.

Xbows have always had better DPS than Guns. The reason for the surge in gun popularity is pretty much because of Coronach and Wildfire and after the update to REMC Wildfire should be accessible on Xbows anyway. There's also the benefit of being able to macro in Acid/Oxidant with an Xbow, but I didn't want to touch on it as realistically everything you use Rng on (tough NMs) it's unlikely to proc the defense down and if you have a bglu or a drg it won't matter anyway.

But yeah, lolXbow is only because of how easy it was/it became to get an Armageddon and Annihilator, and how unique and useful their special WSs are.

Always liked guns... but yeah things are changing especially if I can get wildfire. As far as comparing delve xbow to delve gun... kinda unfair given one is the hnm drop and the other is nq lol. Especially considering how shafted gun got on this update. Comparing anni to delve gun is only 9% increase in base dmg while say gasp to delve xbow is 31% <.<. I mean unique ws aside anni/arma are still decently better than delve gun lol. Though that might be true of gasp too... idk haven't see any real testing on the snapshot and damn ODD/ODT can't proc on ws like other mythics nor on barrage . So think might have to wait till they release a less retarded gun to do a real comparision.... though the delve ammo might change things up a little.

But yeah also forgot to mention how the recycle update significantly benefits lower delays more than higher delay weapons. Hence why I want to try machine xbow wildfire. Also eventually want to make gast anyways see how well it works with sp2 if we ya know ever get them

[Kyreth]

Lol you made a rdm melee post.

Fuck that. Give me a dagger with a linked WS that cripples the target's resistance to debuffs.

And then I want to see "The uber mob was paralyzed" for most of my screencap after I Para II that bitch. Maybe then we won't be LOLRDM anymore.

[dasva]

Fuck that. Give me a dagger with a linked WS that cripples the target's resistance to debuffs.

And then I want to see "The uber mob was paralyzed" for most of my screencap after I Para II that bitch. Maybe then we won't be LOLRDM anymore.

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[orinthia]

Sam gets a very strong new bow but thf is still left behind on xbow. Strongest xbow is still the lv77 darkwing+1. /lolthf problems

[noodles355]

Hence why I want to try machine xbow wildfire.

I used to try Machine Xbow/Apollo's Staff/Korin Obi/Holy Bolts/Trueflight in Temenos at 75. It was ok, but didn't blow me away as much as I'd hoped.

I'd like to see the return of the xbow with access to wildfire. After this update actually, Yoich gains some ground too. Anni was better cus of Coro for when Enmity matters and Last Stand for when it doesn't and Yoichi didn't have that big powerhouse WS to compare, but now Yoichi with Jishnu's? That could be awesome.

[dasva]

I used to try Machine Xbow/Apollo's Staff/Korin Obi/Holy Bolts/Trueflight in Temenos at 75. It was ok, but didn't blow me away as much as I'd hoped.

I'd like to see the return of the xbow with access to wildfire. After this update actually, Yoich gains some ground too. Anni was better cus of Coro for when Enmity matters and Last Stand for when it doesn't and Yoichi didn't have that big powerhouse WS to compare, but now Yoichi with Jishnu's? That could be awesome.

Yeah I did that too. But even going all out trueflight is only kinda meh. Wildfire is decently better though. And the +5tp per shot favors the lower delay so should at least be less meh now. Plus high dmg bolts might be better than holy bolts now. And go go chat staff

And yeah jishnus on another bow is nice since outside of that bow doesn't get a ws that really compares with last stand. But bow also gains ground just because delve bow gains alooooooooooooooooot more base dmg then guns do... like bow beats gun by 50 or so base dmg right now when pre soa gun was slighlty ahead. I don't really see gun being that great till they either fix the base dmg or release some new awesome bullets