Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[grevenilvec75]

Correct me if I am wrong but even with the REM changes, aren't the delve boss weapons still more powerful DMG wise? The sword delve weapon is 130 DMG for example with huge STR, ACC, and Attack bonuses. I think the Almace new 99 version was quoted as 115?

Considering we dont actually know what the REM changes will be, it's too early to say.

[fantasticdan]

Correct me if I am wrong but even with the REM changes, aren't the delve boss weapons still more powerful DMG wise? The sword delve weapon is 130 DMG for example with huge STR, ACC, and Attack bonuses. I think the Almace new 99 version was quoted as 115?

Yeah, just checked:

New Almace was 114, New Excalibur was 120, and the New Burtgang was 131. Considering the vast amount of work a mythic takes, I see this as a fair system. Empy weapons are much easier to get to 99, so lower stats. Relics are somewhat harder and expensive, just slightly below the new delve weapons. Mythics take a loooooooooooooong time to complete, best possible DMG but without the huge stat bonuses of the new delve weapons.

Burtgang has higher base damage there because it has higher delay, they all have about the same dps.

[Seha]

I'd consider the delve naakuals weapons the new "legendaries". They're unique and powerful, only difference is they don't have a ws attached.

[Byrthnoth]

114/224 (20 Acc/Atk/DEX) vs. 130/240 (13 STR, 25 Acc/Atk, 3% DA)

So yeah, Almace would lose if CDC wasn't good enough to spam and maintain AM. However, it is. You can think of it as having the DPS of a D148/224 sword with AM1 up, which at least makes it competitive. Tizona would probably be something like D118/236 damage with an 80% multi-attack rate with AM3 up. Thus, it is effectively a D212/236 weapon with AM3 and it can spam CDC.

So yeah, if you look at the swords and take them at face value, RMEs would be handily back on top.

[Selamis]

I just hope that with a final word on adjustments to REM, that Voidwatch picks up again. I need to get my Ukon to 99, before I was content to leave it at 90, but there's hardly any shouts that I see when I am on, on Fenrir. After Delve came out, it seems like all other types of shouts just died up. Also I am ok with my empy being raised in base damage but still not as good as Delve weapons as long as it's comparable.

[NynJa]

Empy weapons are much easier to get to 99

wut? VW is dying off...

on Carby there are presently 9 Cinder's in bazaar's, ~70 Dross, and ~300 Heavy Metal plates accourding to ffxiah
On Sylph, there are presently ~70 Cinder's, ~70 Dross (though 60 of those are at about 3x market value) and 22 Heavy Metal Plates.

If you want to discuss the balancing act, you can solo farm" your mythic/relic to 95, whereas to get your emp to 95, you'd need ~15 other people just to KILL the mob that drops plates, no guarantee they'll get to you though.

Honestly, as far as getting weapons to 99 is concerned, Emp's are fucked pretty hard in the ass. SE would need to make some kinda adjustment.

[pancakesandsex]

wut? VW is dying off...

on Carby there are presently 9 Cinder's in bazaar's, ~70 Dross, and ~300 Heavy Metal plates accourding to ffxiah
On Sylph, there are presently ~70 Cinder's, ~70 Dross (though 60 of those are at about 3x market value) and 22 Heavy Metal Plates.

If you want to discuss the balancing act, you can solo farm" your mythic/relic to 95, whereas to get your emp to 95, you'd need ~15 other people just to KILL the mob that drops plates, no guarantee they'll get to you though.

Honestly, as far as getting weapons to 99 is concerned, Emp's are fucked pretty hard in the ass. SE would need to make some kinda adjustment.

They need to add single plates to the drop pools of all Abjuration, Rubeus/Ogier/Athos and Pulse fights. This would breathe a bit more life into non pouch shouts as well as add additional sources for the plates.

[Prothescar]

wouldn't solve much at all. a chance at a single plate on fights that basically no one does won't cause people to flock to VW again and flood the market with plates/cinders/dross.

[Rocl]

the answer is replace shit like empyrean seals with pouches obvi

[Rehn]

Cinders went from 1.25M to 2M in a few days on Rag... such a sad state empyrean weapons are in. There are a few people (me included) that are hovering in the twilight zone that is heavy metal/rift items that may not be able to complete it without an adjustment.

Sure, the thought of being able to sell them at higher cost than pre-patch sounds enticing, but I only see the same person shouting to do uptala every other night... and it takes at least an hour to fill sometimes.

[shepardG]

Void watch : adoulin. It's quite simple really. Hell, throw in some legion crafting items in adoulin VW and keep legion abjur. in legion but allow for better tiers of augments and new content compliments the old.

[pancakesandsex]

wouldn't solve much at all. a chance at a single plate on fights that basically no one does won't cause people to flock to VW again and flood the market with plates/cinders/dross.

I dunno, some of the gear is still a decent stepping stone to better, or a useful situational piece, but the low drop rates, and lack of desirable drops OTHER than the gear, means that people who have it already won't show up just for shits and giggles. Toss in a chance for some plates, and I have a reason to join a Lancing Lamorak shout again if I'm just standing around bored.

I'm not saying it's going to explode in popularity again, but it would give people a reason to do something other than qilin constantly.

[Malithar]

Take it a step further and just let Crystal Petrifacts be traded for plates, cinders, and dross.

[ccl]

uh wut? marrow isnt/wasnt hard, it just required more then 3 people to do it, which many people dont have at hand to organize with.

It was hard at level 95 before marrow got introduced! I mean I just want it to not just be given away and have people login in on wpn better than boss delve wpn w/o doing anything.

[fantasticdan]

It was hard at level 95 before marrow got introduced! I mean I just want it to not just be given away and have people login in on wpn better than boss delve wpn w/o doing anything.

Naw, I should forever have a top tier legendary weapon because I grinded out level 75 content at 99 and botted 5 marrows worth of haks. I shouldn't have to complete any real content.

[Jem]

uh wut? marrow isnt/wasnt hard, it just required more then 3 people to do it, which many people dont have at hand to organize with.

Sure it's easy now and started getting that way before Adoulin but when the trial was introduced? No way.

There was absolutely massive amounts of rage and QQ'ing over those trials. People crying that ADL was too hard, that it was too luck based, that you couldn't even consistently get 1 kill per run. Etc.

Absolutely no way was it considered easy when that trial was introduced. Quite the opposite. It was considered to be very difficult regardless of the amount of marrows that would be needed.

If you go back and look at the Dynamis thread at the time of implementation then this is pretty obvious.

[Darkmagi]

I'll actually be a little upset if they just let us log into the best weapons in the game without any kind of additional work.

[Damane]

They need to add single plates to the drop pools of all Abjuration, Rubeus/Ogier/Athos and Pulse fights. This would breathe a bit more life into non pouch shouts as well as add additional sources for the plates.

Alexandrite supply is sitting in the same boat but, supply hasnt died off, but it slowed down a bit due to delve. However Alexandrite can be farmed solo IF you have someone that can take you and your mule into salvage (or you have 3 accounts). However the amount of alexandrite needed is astronomical compared ot the amount of heavy metal plates... makeing pouches and linens be 100% drop rates in salvage I + II from NMs would go a long way to solve that problem, additionally makeing pouches also drop 100% from nyzul isle I + II NMs 100% of the time (not floor bosses) would go along way too.

[EjinCaitsith]

It's also becoming fairly clear that the Delve bosses are very beatable, as long as you have enough fully buffed/geared RNGs to throw at it. In 1 month I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if all the Delve Naakual have been killed many times by multiple LS now that there has been a kill and more and more LS start working up the courage to start serious runs with proven kill methods. RME update will probably allow groups to kill them with far fewer people(and probably end up mercing kills to people w/o a big LS).

[Gwynplaine]

Why the hell you people want to do more tedious shit for those weapons is beyond me instead of just introducing better stuff that isn't haunted by Tanaka's ghost.