Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[Malithar]

Why the hell you people want to do more tedious shit for those weapons is beyond me instead of just introducing better stuff that isn't haunted by Tanaka's ghost.

Don't outdate my pixels bro!

[ccl]

Why the hell you people want to do more tedious shit for those weapons is beyond me instead of just introducing better stuff that isn't haunted by Tanaka's ghost.

I was really happy with r/e/m being outdated, keeping them up to date w/o any work will just kill everyone motivation as I see a lot of people "I'm not doing anything atm they will make my wpn best again soon".

It's also becoming fairly clear that the Delve bosses are very beatable, as long as you have enough fully buffed/geared RNGs to throw at it. In 1 month I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if all the Delve Naakual have been killed many times by multiple LS now that there has been a kill and more and more LS start working up the courage to start serious runs with proven kill methods. RME update will probably allow groups to kill them with far fewer people(and probably end up mercing kills to people w/o a big LS).

This X1000, once you know what to expect those NM really aren't that bad.

[dasva]

I just hope that with a final word on adjustments to REM, that Voidwatch picks up again. I need to get my Ukon to 99, before I was content to leave it at 90, but there's hardly any shouts that I see when I am on, on Fenrir. After Delve came out, it seems like all other types of shouts just died up. Also I am ok with my empy being raised in base damage but still not as good as Delve weapons as long as it's comparable.

I see more vw shouts than delve shouts here... hell I see almost as many af3 seal shouts... even last night I saw a lvl 100 old nyzle shout where the shouter was locking denali head but no delve shouts going on at the time. I don't want to live on this server anymore

[Dotsudoku]

I was really happy with r/e/m being outdated, keeping them up to date w/o any work will just kill everyone motivation as I see a lot of people "I'm not doing anything atm they will make my wpn best again soon".

Seconded. It seems that most of the backlash over REM being left behind was from people with a 95 relic or 90 empyrean. Everyone with an actual investment, my Ryunohige included, seemed to welcome the paradigm shift

[noodles355]

I just want to keep using Mercy Stroke ;; also it's still the prettiest dagger...

I'm hoping (and have always) that rme will be difficult to upgrade and I wouldn't be against the idea of them only being sidegrades to current Delve gear (assuming later releases would surpass them, just not by 100dmg)

[grevenilvec75]

Why the hell you people want to do more tedious shit for those weapons is beyond me instead of just introducing better stuff that isn't haunted by Tanaka's ghost.

I'd rather do tedious shit for my weapon that I know will remain relevant than do tedious shit for fugly looking delve butterfly axe bullshit that will just get replaced if my LS ever manages to kill delve nakuaals.

[Hitou]

I'm fine with RME not being the best weapons in the game anymore, but the gap was a little huge. Especially since you can farm out a delve weapon in a day or week as long as you know competent people. Most of the delve weapon also look like crap. I know they'll keep adding new stuff and probably eventually make "real" ultimate weapons akin to RME of old, but for now everyone is running around wearing what looks like lvl 15 weapons and it's pretty dull.

Unless they make a new way to get HMPs cinder/dross I'll probably be leaving my empyreans in a locker since the supply has all but dried out and it's never going to pick up to a feasible level since it was crap when VW was the only damn thing to do.

[Chamaan]

Should just up the rate on currency drops and white proc so that 95 relics are easier to make. People that solo up their weapons still are gunna get cockblocked by marrows so whatever.

[fantasticdan]

Relics aren't easy enough to make?

[Therin]

Seconded. It seems that most of the backlash over REM being left behind was from people with a 95 relic or 90 empyrean. Everyone with an actual investment, my Ryunohige included, seemed to welcome the paradigm shift

I'm sure everyone with an Apocalypse (who uses it often) wanted them to buff REM. Even if there's a "stronger" weapon out there, getting used to playing DRK again without the ability to keep yourself alive with Catastrophe would be rage inducing.

[Guitarman]

I'm sure everyone with an Apocalypse (who uses it often) wanted them to buff REM. Even if there's a "stronger" weapon out there, getting used to playing DRK again without the ability to keep yourself alive with Catastrophe would be rage inducing.

Spoiler: show

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Love my Cata drains.

[dasva]

Seconded. It seems that most of the backlash over REM being left behind was from people with a 95 relic or 90 empyrean. Everyone with an actual investment, my Ryunohige included, seemed to welcome the paradigm shift

I didn't mind mega boss delve being a bit better... I minded easy nq stuff any scrub could get in a day being waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than the relic

[Dotsudoku]

Relics were a joke to get already, not understanding the distinction. Any scrub can get in a few weeks, and scrub can get in a few days; splitting hairs as far as I'm concerned

Regardless, the new bigboy weapons existed to reestablish the feeling of superiority. Let scrubs have their NQ weapons, get bigboy weapon, lose no self esteem

[macross]

That's why non scrubs will get megaboss weapons. Everyone just has the new 85s (base delve), upgraded to 90s, the true gamers will get the 99's (megaboss).

I'm not mad one bit that everyone has delves, since I know i can get the megas.

[Byrthnoth]

If the megaboss weapons were half as cool as relics, mythics, or empyreans then I might agree with you guys. However, they aren't. The ultimate weapon for each job shouldn't be some generic piece of shit.

Like, I hope you enjoy spamming Merit WSs with really high base damage weapons and no aftermath?

[Dotsudoku]

Mhm. Quite frankly my group isn't coordinated enough to handle a boss yet, and I still welcome the barrier. The idea that we were going to have particular content available only to the best groups again was kind of exciting

Edit: I can level with you on that, Byrth. Lack of specializing elements is kinda' disappointing

[arus2001]

Relics aren't easy enough to make?

They were never really "hard to make" in the right way, either. Right now it's just a dreadfully long time sink that'd be relatively unappealing for new blood to make without some kind of adjustment to pre-Adoulin steps. Though, I'm also of the mind the other magian trials should see upgrades and early step reductions on mass mob kills since SE caved to the RME whiners. Would help with the issue where some dual-wielders are complaining that while they might get a delve weapon, their off-hand is a far gimper skirmish weapon or worse.

[Cairthenn]

Yes, nothing in this game ever was/is/ever will be hard. It just require[s/d] the right amount of time/thought/preparation/people/coordination/weight lifting/brofisting/trips to the mall/drinks.

Are people ever going to stop arguing the point of difficulty as though it's relevant?

[Kaisha]

Like, I hope you enjoy spamming Merit WSs with really high base damage weapons and no aftermath?

I'm of the hopeful side that Delve weaps will continue to receive further rank upgrades, and eventually ending up with an Aftermath of their own (make the type of aftermath based on upgrade path chosen or something). Mix things up by requiring something less easily obtainable than Airlixirs for ranks beyond 15.

[noodles355]

Yes, nothing in this game ever was/is/ever will be hard. It just require[s/d] the right amount of time/thought/preparation/people/coordination/weight lifting/brofisting/trips to the mall/drinks.

How the fuck do you define hard if it's not it requiring any of those things?