Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[Zirael]

The downside of BST SP is in that whilst dismissing/resummoning a pet, you are a sitting duck for whatever you're fighting (when solo at least). And you can't really kite because then your pet's TP moves would "The enemy is too far away". Unless you use a ranged TP move, obviously. It's pretty much a copy-pasta of SMN SP, but instead of draining MP, it drains your gil XD
I guess it will be useful only for when you want Call Beast timer back or pop Nazuna for emergency Sleepga.

[Ophannus]

Actually, RNG/NIN mobs without a standard ranged animation use TP moves without TP for their ranged attacks. In Quadavs' case they use Ore Toss without TP every few seconds and Kindred use Hecatomb Wave every few seconds.

Also the JP version of the PLD ability says it lower melee and ranged accuracy.

[Ophannus]

These need to be PLD and DRg's new 2hr animations respectively

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...zd_tad8Y#t=64s

[Chamaan]

Yeah but it's triggered by the distance between you and the mob. The new Rng thing screws with distance relations, so spaghetti code could make rng mobs start hundred fisting their ranged attacks.

[Damane]

the new THF SP looks promising to some degree and situations.
the BST one is okeish at best
and the PLD one is just... I dont know. lowered accuracy doesnt sound that hot for a PLD tank.

[Slycer]

and the PLD one is just... I dont know. lowered accuracy doesnt sound that hot for a PLD tank.

Just to reiterate (some others have posted already about this), it's apparently lowered accuracy and attack. I missed the "attack" part in my translation, but the official translation has it. May have some use to counter powerful enemy physical TP moves and such considering that.

[Karbuncle]

PLD "tank" is kinda cute lol.

The New Ability essentially does what the old one does, Hinders the Enemies means of killing you, Except this time its a Debuff on the Enemy, So the real tank, all the DD, will benefit from it, Not just the PLD.

Edit: Meh, This was mentioned already. /Flies away.

-On THF, I'm liking the new 2hour. It can essentially give THF Access to all SP Abilities... I mean some are useless for THF, But It'd be nice stealing Botulus' Chainspell if your group is sucking, Or nabbing a Dynamis Mobs Mighty Strikes or Hundred fists...

I know if i stole Mighty Strikes... I'd probably Exenterator, Just cause... Epeen... F**king Epeen.

[Byrthnoth]

I know if i stole Mighty Strikes... I'd probably Exenterator, Just cause... Epeen... F**king Epeen.

Oh man. Time to pull Jailer of Hope next to Jailer of Love and steal both buffs at once.

[dasva]

I don't remember PW even using astral flow. Don't the avatars just pop up?
Would be pretty interesting for AV tho.. steal his manafont lol. it'll probably glitch him lol..

the BST one is actually pretty strong if you can afford to burn thru jugs..
i haven't touched BST in ages but off the top of my head the best thing to spam is probably Raphie for 300% aqua breaths?

You could throw a bunch of debuffs on the mob. Some of the bst debuffs are actually semi good

[InsaniacTHF]

Oh man. Time to pull Jailer of Hope next to Jailer of Love and steal both buffs at once.

Just have your WAR buddies MS and get charmed.

[Xantavia]

Can't say I'm real excited by the new THF sp. Being able to miss with it is not too appealing. And all I can think is the multiple times I attempt to steal/dispel ice spikes from skeletons and end up with a bone chip instead.

[Martel]

"*If no beneficial effects were on the target, the ability will miss. Recast will still occur if the ability is used and misses."

I read this as it'll only miss if the mob doesn't have a buff to steal.

[falseliberty]

New thf ja sounds better than what was proposed before........BUT
I can see it now"Orcish warrior uses mighty strikes,thf uses new JA and gets warcry instead" How will it know what to steal? Aura steal already has this problem.
want to steal shell from the whm mob? tough u got aquaveil instead.
for a JA tied to a 1hr timer... just seems to random

[Yugl]

New thf ja sounds better than what was proposed before........BUT
I can see it now"Orcish warrior uses mighty strikes,thf uses new JA and gets warcry instead" How will it know what to steal? Aura steal already has this problem.
want to steal shell from the whm mob? tough u got aquaveil instead.
for a JA tied to a 1hr timer... just seems to random

Agreed. They need to fix priorities if they want this JA to work effectively.

[seiji]

New thf ja sounds better than what was proposed before........BUT
I can see it now"Orcish warrior uses mighty strikes,thf uses new JA and gets warcry instead" How will it know what to steal? Aura steal already has this problem.
want to steal shell from the whm mob? tough u got aquaveil instead.
for a JA tied to a 1hr timer... just seems to random

just have a mage dispel monster till no effect and each time it buff itself, or use aura steal before and get warcry+MS

[Yugl]

Depending on the mob, that may not be feasible (And Chainspell mobs can quickly buff).

[Kincard]

Dev confirms that THF SP2 prioritizes stealing SP abilities. Awesome. You also won't have the dumb "You can't do that action because your inventory is full" bullshit.

PLD SP2 is become compared to "Similar to you having 1 attack and constant Puk obfuscation".

Sic and Ready timer on BST SP2 will be set to 0, as they image it being similar to the SMN SP2.

[Byrthnoth]

SE should really try to get a patent on obliviousness and logical loops. Holy shit at that Alexandrite post.

[Kincard]

They're basically saying "If we could make ancient currency just as annoying as alexandrite, we would, you should be thankful we're too lazy to change that code".

[Slycer]

**For attack down, the condition would be similar to what would happen if the enemy's attack power was set to 1.
**For accuracy down, the condition is several times higher than a Puk's Obfuscate.

Crazy talk.